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ruslan ([info]ruslan) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2010-09-26 05:05:00


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A Turkish woman takes umbrage at the misrepresentation of Turkey in Christopher Pike's novel The Secret of Ka. She posts a review on Amazon (and another one on LJ at bookfails) talking about her complaints with the book.

Then, a man claiming to be one of Christopher Pike's editors shows up to westsplain her own culture to her. Also he decides that she's been threatening to cut off the author's hands.

Arguments include:

1) It's okay for a major character to have an Indian name! He started off being Ahmed but readers liked this other name better. Also, Amesh sounds a lot like Ahmed. Same difference! Although it turns out Ahmed isn't even a Turkish name and Turkish people will spell it Ahmet.
2) Turkish, Kurdish, Arab ... it's all a matter of perspective! Who's to say whether a Turkish person is Arab or not? (Not you because I know more about your own ethnic background than you do.)
3) But all those people he wrote about who dress strangely and have foreign names and address their grandfathers by unusual titles are supposed to be weird! We didn't misrepresent Turkish culture at all! It's just that all of those characters are supposed to be iconoclasts or hipsters or something. Yeah.
4) I totally saw a guy wearing a turban in Turkey once! Also, taxi drivers in London and New York wear turbans. (???)
5) All cultures even tangentially related to Islam and the Middle East are segregated, war-torn, and insanely conservative. It's illegal to swear and nobody sits near women and bloody wars are waged outside of the Hilton every night. :(
6) I'm just never going to address the fact that you're offended and feel that your culture was used like a dirty rag at all!
7) u mad :(

Ah, I remember well the Turkish capital, Istanbul, that desert city.

I nicked this from a mouse at wank_report (thank you mousey!)

ETA: A clever person on Amazon dug up proof that the "editor" Michael Brite is actually a sockpuppet of Christopher Pike himself. He seems to mostly use the account to leave worshipful reviews of his own books. Seriously:

Perhaps The Best Book I Have Ever Read
Christopher Pike's "Thirst" is a masterpiece. The book is not only a fantastic thriller, a mind boggling mystery, but a spiritual revelation. Alisa is a five thousand year old vampire who kills as casually as she makes love. Yet there remains deep within her a painful and yet abiding memory and love for a man she met when she was young, a man who may have been more than a man -- the mysterious Lord Krishna from the Bhagavad Gita, the equivalent of the Indian Bible. However, please do not get the idea this book is about religion. Pike's novel is totally free of dogma. He never says Krishna is God, and his heroine is never sure who Krishna truly is. Also, he is careful not to offend anyone's faith. But there is a heart breaking passage where two of the main characters debate the existence of God. They soon come to the conclusion that "God" is impossible to define or know, but whatever Krishna was, he was too powerful, and too beautiful, to disobey. And that leads to the crux of the story. The master vampire who has created Alisa must destroy all the vampires to gain salvation. Yet, ironically, Krishna has promised Alisa she will have his protection if she obeys him and never creates another vampire. It is the clash of these two contradictory vows that stands at the heart of this brilliant novel. Reading it, I felt I was given an insight into the mystery of life itself. Why, for every good impulse in the world, is there an opposing evil? Yet Pike tells this incredible morality play without preaching. In fact, I suspect most people who read the book will simply enjoy it because it is a kick-ass novel about the most intense character in all of modern fiction. I am trying to say "Thirst" is so much more than a vampire book. It is ultimately a timeless fable of how fear can change to hatred, and then to love, and finally mature into devotion. Pike has managed a small miracle by showing us that these emotion are not truly at odds with each other. For they all reside in every human heart, in the same way, perhaps, the divine does as well. I cannot recommend this book highly enough. It changed my life forever.

ETA again: Christopher Pike has now made an impressively paranoid post on a website of his accusing the original Amazon reviewer (caligirl_08) of posting negative reviews under multiple aliases, as well as claiming that [info]bookfails is a "livejournal community sponsored by someone of Turkish background who has taken things much too far and is trying to rob fiction authors of their artistic license".

Dear Author has also caught wind of this (last item on the page).

But wait, there's more!

caligirl_08 ([info]bs_08 on [info]bookfails) tackles Pike's aforementioned sexy vampire novel, Thirst. It ... well, I'm just going to leave this here:


Initial post: Nov. 7, 2009 3:08 AM PST
Michael Brite says:
It says clearly in the book that Sita was an Aryan, a well known group who invaded India five thousand years ago. They were all blond and blue-eyed.


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[info]ruslan
2010-09-26 10:01 pm UTC (link)
There are problematic and poorly researched ideas in the book and defending it is just douchey no matter how polite and professional you think he's being.

Getting Istanbul wrong was still stupid no matter who did it.

The problem with the Arab thing is that Sara's father (who I'm guessing from context lives there/works there/is a professor of Turkish literature/a grown-ass man/in general somebody who should know better) also refers to Turkey as an Arab country and they say this in front of Turkish people like Amesh without anybody bothering to correct them.

I'm sure at least one guy in Turkey has a turban for some reason, and that some Turkish people have unusual names, and that at least one woman has been in Turkey wearing a niqab, but if there are fifteen different unlikely incidences that pass largely without comment, the net sum is an inaccurate portrayal of the country.

I don't see any particular reason to doubt that she's a Turkish woman who lived in Istanbul at some point and currently lives in San Diego. Hell, she could have immigrated six months ago, we don't know that. Although I don't see why we have to scrutinize her background. She identifies with Turkey and feels personally slighted, and she obviously knows what she's talking about far more than the editor and the author do. She doesn't need to prove she has some kind of advanced Turkish cred to be right.

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[info]alexa
2010-09-27 01:46 am UTC (link)
The problem with the Arab thing is that Sara's father...also refers to Turkey as an Arab country and they say this in front of Turkish people like Amesh without anybody bothering to correct them.

This, plus all the other mistakes that the commenter pointed out further down her list (getting the word for "grandfather" wrong, deserts in Istanbul, almost none of the "Turkish" characters having names that are actually Turkish) makes me think it was likely more than a mistake by the PoV character.

Also, isn't this YA fiction? I'm not saying you should talk down to a younger audience, but isn't the device of an unreliable narrator a little advanced, if you're not going to bother to correct or make clear the errors? Since many non-Turkish children wont know the capital of Turkey, wouldn't having the main character make an intentional mistake for the sake of characterization go right over their heads?

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[info]thebratqueen
2010-09-27 05:14 pm UTC (link)
I think regardless of the target audience, the onus is on the author to make it clear that errors like this are because of flawed character POV instead of research fail. For example, if he'd gotten the "grandfather" right, and clarified the distance to a desert location, and used a Turkish name for the guy, it'd be easier to trust that any other mistakes were on purpose. But when the story is riddled with mistakes that have nothing to do with a character's POV the trust isn't there and it's not the reader's fault for not getting it.

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[info]sandglass
2010-09-27 02:00 am UTC (link)
And it's not like it's one isolated event. One guy wearing a turban, or turbans being presented as something you might see normally without the other problems is kinda understandable, but getting that wrong on top of everything else, within 25 pages of the beginning? Why the fuck are people defending that?

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