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ruslan ([info]ruslan) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2010-09-26 05:05:00


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A Turkish woman takes umbrage at the misrepresentation of Turkey in Christopher Pike's novel The Secret of Ka. She posts a review on Amazon (and another one on LJ at bookfails) talking about her complaints with the book.

Then, a man claiming to be one of Christopher Pike's editors shows up to westsplain her own culture to her. Also he decides that she's been threatening to cut off the author's hands.

Arguments include:

1) It's okay for a major character to have an Indian name! He started off being Ahmed but readers liked this other name better. Also, Amesh sounds a lot like Ahmed. Same difference! Although it turns out Ahmed isn't even a Turkish name and Turkish people will spell it Ahmet.
2) Turkish, Kurdish, Arab ... it's all a matter of perspective! Who's to say whether a Turkish person is Arab or not? (Not you because I know more about your own ethnic background than you do.)
3) But all those people he wrote about who dress strangely and have foreign names and address their grandfathers by unusual titles are supposed to be weird! We didn't misrepresent Turkish culture at all! It's just that all of those characters are supposed to be iconoclasts or hipsters or something. Yeah.
4) I totally saw a guy wearing a turban in Turkey once! Also, taxi drivers in London and New York wear turbans. (???)
5) All cultures even tangentially related to Islam and the Middle East are segregated, war-torn, and insanely conservative. It's illegal to swear and nobody sits near women and bloody wars are waged outside of the Hilton every night. :(
6) I'm just never going to address the fact that you're offended and feel that your culture was used like a dirty rag at all!
7) u mad :(

Ah, I remember well the Turkish capital, Istanbul, that desert city.

I nicked this from a mouse at wank_report (thank you mousey!)

ETA: A clever person on Amazon dug up proof that the "editor" Michael Brite is actually a sockpuppet of Christopher Pike himself. He seems to mostly use the account to leave worshipful reviews of his own books. Seriously:

Perhaps The Best Book I Have Ever Read
Christopher Pike's "Thirst" is a masterpiece. The book is not only a fantastic thriller, a mind boggling mystery, but a spiritual revelation. Alisa is a five thousand year old vampire who kills as casually as she makes love. Yet there remains deep within her a painful and yet abiding memory and love for a man she met when she was young, a man who may have been more than a man -- the mysterious Lord Krishna from the Bhagavad Gita, the equivalent of the Indian Bible. However, please do not get the idea this book is about religion. Pike's novel is totally free of dogma. He never says Krishna is God, and his heroine is never sure who Krishna truly is. Also, he is careful not to offend anyone's faith. But there is a heart breaking passage where two of the main characters debate the existence of God. They soon come to the conclusion that "God" is impossible to define or know, but whatever Krishna was, he was too powerful, and too beautiful, to disobey. And that leads to the crux of the story. The master vampire who has created Alisa must destroy all the vampires to gain salvation. Yet, ironically, Krishna has promised Alisa she will have his protection if she obeys him and never creates another vampire. It is the clash of these two contradictory vows that stands at the heart of this brilliant novel. Reading it, I felt I was given an insight into the mystery of life itself. Why, for every good impulse in the world, is there an opposing evil? Yet Pike tells this incredible morality play without preaching. In fact, I suspect most people who read the book will simply enjoy it because it is a kick-ass novel about the most intense character in all of modern fiction. I am trying to say "Thirst" is so much more than a vampire book. It is ultimately a timeless fable of how fear can change to hatred, and then to love, and finally mature into devotion. Pike has managed a small miracle by showing us that these emotion are not truly at odds with each other. For they all reside in every human heart, in the same way, perhaps, the divine does as well. I cannot recommend this book highly enough. It changed my life forever.

ETA again: Christopher Pike has now made an impressively paranoid post on a website of his accusing the original Amazon reviewer (caligirl_08) of posting negative reviews under multiple aliases, as well as claiming that [info]bookfails is a "livejournal community sponsored by someone of Turkish background who has taken things much too far and is trying to rob fiction authors of their artistic license".

Dear Author has also caught wind of this (last item on the page).

But wait, there's more!

caligirl_08 ([info]bs_08 on [info]bookfails) tackles Pike's aforementioned sexy vampire novel, Thirst. It ... well, I'm just going to leave this here:


Initial post: Nov. 7, 2009 3:08 AM PST
Michael Brite says:
It says clearly in the book that Sita was an Aryan, a well known group who invaded India five thousand years ago. They were all blond and blue-eyed.


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Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]wonapalei
2010-09-27 10:38 pm UTC (link)
So this "editor" who's defending Christopher Pike? Is actually a sockpuppet of--guess who?--the author himself, which he uses to--you guessed it!--leave gushing reviews of his own work and talk about what a great person that Chris Pike is.

So the westsplaining jerk is now revealed by his own words to be, not a horrible editor, but a horrible author. My, my, someone did not think this through at all.

(If the link doesn't work, check the 13th comment on the Amazon review. Also the 14th, as it copypastes for posterity the damning comment where "Michael Brite" posted that he is really Christopher Pike.)

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]ruslan
2010-09-27 10:51 pm UTC (link)
ಥ_ಥ ...Beautiful.

Adding this to the main post.

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]plazmah
2010-09-28 04:11 am UTC (link)
Completely OT: I am always amazed and startled at how the internets has creatively incorporated my native language as emoticons.

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]ruslan
2010-09-29 07:56 am UTC (link)
Ooh, Kannada, right? I have seriously considered learning Kannada solely because those emoticon faces tickle a special part of my brain. I am sure that languages have been learned for sillier reasons.

... of course I don't exactly have a job right now so I basically have unlimited free time, during which I can totally indulge all possible intellectual pursuits ... *orders some teachy books off Amazon*

(Also, I felt the same way when щДш щДш щДш became a thing. Especially because you could almost read it as "shit shit shit!")

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]plazmah
2010-09-29 04:55 pm UTC (link)
Yep, it's Kannada.

I wish I had tons of free time too, to get a better understanding of the language my parents tried to teach me but couldn’t really because we were too busy assimilating. :(

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]bienegold
2010-09-27 11:04 pm UTC (link)
Bwahaha.

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]duraniedrama
2010-09-27 11:14 pm UTC (link)
AHAHAHAHAHA!

So now we seem to have an unfunny wank degenerating into funny, instead of the other way around . . .

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]randomsome1
2010-09-27 11:53 pm UTC (link)
Holy shit. Never before have I gotten this strong an impression that an author jacks off to themselves.

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]rosehiptea
2010-09-28 12:12 am UTC (link)
Wow. I was thinking some of the blame here could be laid on Christopher Pike having a jerk editor that he has no control over but... forget that.

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]issendai
2010-09-29 03:46 pm UTC (link)
In retrospect, the whole thing should have smelled funny from the start. Editors from large, respected publishing houses usually have too much on their plates to waste time trolling negative reviews, and too much professionalism even if they don't like a review. If a real editor went off on a reviewer, all their other authors would ask to be reassigned to another editor who wouldn't humiliate them in public.

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]hallidae
2010-09-28 01:05 am UTC (link)
Oh, God. Ohhhh, God. LOLing forever.

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]cyndra_falin
2010-09-28 01:07 am UTC (link)
Oh wow. WOW!

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]yoritomo_reiko
2010-09-28 01:21 am UTC (link)
*stares* It's...it's kind of beautiful. And terrible at the same time.

On the other hand, any desire I had to revisit my teenagedom with his books? Completely gone.

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]deliciouschaos
2010-09-28 01:35 am UTC (link)
I eagerly await his creative excuse for this.

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]sarracenia
2010-09-28 01:40 am UTC (link)
Oh wow. That is some beautiful sockpuppeting. I particularly liked the part where he said "Reading it, I felt I was given an insight into the mystery of life itself." Yep, the mystery of life is all about jerking yourself off in public anonymously.

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]cmdr_zoom
2010-09-28 01:45 am UTC (link)
Both involve semen!

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]thebratqueen
2010-09-28 03:31 am UTC (link)
Oh WOW.

Okay, I'm popping the popcorn. Who wants some?

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]plazmah
2010-09-28 04:12 am UTC (link)
HOLY...

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]drakyndra
2010-09-28 07:12 am UTC (link)
Sockpuppets: Not just for fandom.

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Re: Sockpuppet ahoy!
[info]sgaana
2010-09-28 04:12 pm UTC (link)
Oh. My. God. That's... WOOO!

Has someone been screencapping? TELL me someone has been screencapping!

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