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ruslan ([info]ruslan) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2010-09-26 05:05:00


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A Turkish woman takes umbrage at the misrepresentation of Turkey in Christopher Pike's novel The Secret of Ka. She posts a review on Amazon (and another one on LJ at bookfails) talking about her complaints with the book.

Then, a man claiming to be one of Christopher Pike's editors shows up to westsplain her own culture to her. Also he decides that she's been threatening to cut off the author's hands.

Arguments include:

1) It's okay for a major character to have an Indian name! He started off being Ahmed but readers liked this other name better. Also, Amesh sounds a lot like Ahmed. Same difference! Although it turns out Ahmed isn't even a Turkish name and Turkish people will spell it Ahmet.
2) Turkish, Kurdish, Arab ... it's all a matter of perspective! Who's to say whether a Turkish person is Arab or not? (Not you because I know more about your own ethnic background than you do.)
3) But all those people he wrote about who dress strangely and have foreign names and address their grandfathers by unusual titles are supposed to be weird! We didn't misrepresent Turkish culture at all! It's just that all of those characters are supposed to be iconoclasts or hipsters or something. Yeah.
4) I totally saw a guy wearing a turban in Turkey once! Also, taxi drivers in London and New York wear turbans. (???)
5) All cultures even tangentially related to Islam and the Middle East are segregated, war-torn, and insanely conservative. It's illegal to swear and nobody sits near women and bloody wars are waged outside of the Hilton every night. :(
6) I'm just never going to address the fact that you're offended and feel that your culture was used like a dirty rag at all!
7) u mad :(

Ah, I remember well the Turkish capital, Istanbul, that desert city.

I nicked this from a mouse at wank_report (thank you mousey!)

ETA: A clever person on Amazon dug up proof that the "editor" Michael Brite is actually a sockpuppet of Christopher Pike himself. He seems to mostly use the account to leave worshipful reviews of his own books. Seriously:

Perhaps The Best Book I Have Ever Read
Christopher Pike's "Thirst" is a masterpiece. The book is not only a fantastic thriller, a mind boggling mystery, but a spiritual revelation. Alisa is a five thousand year old vampire who kills as casually as she makes love. Yet there remains deep within her a painful and yet abiding memory and love for a man she met when she was young, a man who may have been more than a man -- the mysterious Lord Krishna from the Bhagavad Gita, the equivalent of the Indian Bible. However, please do not get the idea this book is about religion. Pike's novel is totally free of dogma. He never says Krishna is God, and his heroine is never sure who Krishna truly is. Also, he is careful not to offend anyone's faith. But there is a heart breaking passage where two of the main characters debate the existence of God. They soon come to the conclusion that "God" is impossible to define or know, but whatever Krishna was, he was too powerful, and too beautiful, to disobey. And that leads to the crux of the story. The master vampire who has created Alisa must destroy all the vampires to gain salvation. Yet, ironically, Krishna has promised Alisa she will have his protection if she obeys him and never creates another vampire. It is the clash of these two contradictory vows that stands at the heart of this brilliant novel. Reading it, I felt I was given an insight into the mystery of life itself. Why, for every good impulse in the world, is there an opposing evil? Yet Pike tells this incredible morality play without preaching. In fact, I suspect most people who read the book will simply enjoy it because it is a kick-ass novel about the most intense character in all of modern fiction. I am trying to say "Thirst" is so much more than a vampire book. It is ultimately a timeless fable of how fear can change to hatred, and then to love, and finally mature into devotion. Pike has managed a small miracle by showing us that these emotion are not truly at odds with each other. For they all reside in every human heart, in the same way, perhaps, the divine does as well. I cannot recommend this book highly enough. It changed my life forever.

ETA again: Christopher Pike has now made an impressively paranoid post on a website of his accusing the original Amazon reviewer (caligirl_08) of posting negative reviews under multiple aliases, as well as claiming that [info]bookfails is a "livejournal community sponsored by someone of Turkish background who has taken things much too far and is trying to rob fiction authors of their artistic license".

Dear Author has also caught wind of this (last item on the page).

But wait, there's more!

caligirl_08 ([info]bs_08 on [info]bookfails) tackles Pike's aforementioned sexy vampire novel, Thirst. It ... well, I'm just going to leave this here:


Initial post: Nov. 7, 2009 3:08 AM PST
Michael Brite says:
It says clearly in the book that Sita was an Aryan, a well known group who invaded India five thousand years ago. They were all blond and blue-eyed.


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[info]issendai
2010-09-29 04:58 pm UTC (link)
After reading the he said/she said between the reviewer and Pike, I had to see for myself what the story was like. Have some stream-of-consciousness commentary:

It's horrible.

The "joke" about wars being fought in front of the hotel isn't. The heroine says and thinks plenty of stereotypes about Turks/Arabs/LOL they're all the same LOL; and while some of them make sense in a "prejudiced American learns to take her head out of her ass" story, some of them are things she flat out should have known or noticed weren't true--like the capital of Turkey, or whether the majority of the people around her had curly hair.

First the father tells her not to use "hell" as a curse, since Turkey is an Arab country. ...Moron. Then Amesh tells her not to use "Christ" as a curse, since Turkey is an Arab country. ...Wha? Wouldn't an actual Turk know that Turkey isn't Arab? And would the members of a majority-Muslim country particularly care if someone committed blasphemy regarding her own religion? Would "Christ" even register as a swear word?

Amesh was orphaned at 10 and left school to work to support his grandfather. On one hand, yeah, okay, this happens. On the other hand, perhaps someone who knows Turkey could tell me whether it's likely to happen in modern-day Istanbul? It sounds suspiciously like the usual "Non-rich Arabs [sic] are all poor people who live in third-world countries under National Geographic-worthy conditions" story Westerners like to tell about that part of the world.

The desert is, in fact, right outside Istanbul. And we're not talking any wishy-washy Central Anatolia arid regions, we're talking SAHARA, motherfucker. Sand dunes.

Archaeology fail! The father is excited because they've discovered ruins 7,000 years old--possibly the oldest ever. Except for all those sites 9,000 and 10,000 years old, which apparently don't exist in this book. Maybe the Istanbul desert swallowed them.

Aaaaand then the heroine finds a carpet buried in the dirt, and of course it's a priceless antique, even a relic, and she's debating whether or not to turn it over to the authorities. Apparently the Istanbul desert is a great preserver of textiles, because under any other conditions a carpet buried directly in the earth would be a ruin within a couple of years.

Or maybe it's MAGIC.

That's it. I'm done.

Have I mentioned that the heroine is a snotty, whiny, self-obsessed brat? Amesh is a nice guy, if a bit too easily roped into enabling our heroine. But the heroine needs to be left in the middle of the Istanbul Sahara without a compass.

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[info]lied_ohne_worte
2010-09-29 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Well, it took me three minutes to Google that, while Turkey still has some child labour problems, the government is actively working on them, to the point of for example reducing the number of working children by half between 1994 and 1999. Also, they have mandatory school attendance from 6 to 14 years of age. So, I think your diagnose of him thinking that "Non-rich Arabs [sic] are all poor people who live in third-world countries under National Geographic-worthy conditions".

All these things, like the capital and the desert etc. are so embarrassingly easy to research. I mean, all of these things can be found out within a few hours.

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[info]lied_ohne_worte
2010-09-29 06:24 pm UTC (link)
Oops, missed half a sentence. I meant to say that your diagnose is spot-on.

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[info]randomsome1
2010-09-29 06:50 pm UTC (link)
How many pages did you manage? (Is this the start of an epic cultural awareness drinking game?)

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[info]issendai
2010-09-29 07:20 pm UTC (link)
I started skimming around page 19. It was that bad. I mean, I didn't even bother mentioning how the heroine compliments the hero on the whiteness of his teeth--because PoC* have really white teeth, amirite?

*does a shot*



* This came up in wank_report, so I have to address it: Turks may or may not be white, depending on what definition of white you're using and how each person self-identifies, but to Pike, they're definitely PoC, and Amesh needs to be analyzed in that light.

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[info]randomsome1
2010-09-29 07:31 pm UTC (link)
I seem to remember you getting further through the capslock-titled monstrosity which shall not be named.

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[info]issendai
2010-09-29 07:55 pm UTC (link)
125 pages! But VOLDEMORT was entertainingly bad, while THE SECRET OF KAKA was merely incompetent.

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[info]sarracenia
2010-09-30 08:04 pm UTC (link)
I finally gave into the urge to check it out out of sheer masochistic curiosity, and holy crap that was appalling. It's like he was trying to write a parody of the ignorant obnoxious American tourist as a bored teenage girl, except it doesn't feel like the author thinks there's anything wrong with her behavior. I'm surprised crystals of pure ignorance didn't solidify on the page as I read it, and I only got through the Kindle sample because like hell I was paying for that. Sheesh.

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[info]emily_goddess
2010-10-05 08:04 pm UTC (link)
And would the members of a majority-Muslim country particularly care if someone committed blasphemy regarding her own religion? Would "Christ" even register as a swear word?

I can't say anything about Turkey in particular, but Jesus/Isa is a major prophet in Islam, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are Muslims who object to people using the prophets' names (or titles, in this case) as expletives.

But given Pike's perception of the Muslim world, it's entirely possibly he thinks saying "Christ" could get you marked as an "infidel" or something.

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