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	issendai 2011-02-02 11:18 pm UTC (link)
	Yyyyeah, the 60's and 70's were a gross time in general. I have a knee-jerk reaction against the generation of men who were teens and twentysomethings in the 60's and 70's because it turned so many of them into creeps. Not fair to all of them, since many of them came out of it as decent people... but there's a trend there. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	bellomee13 2011-02-03 03:46 am UTC (link)
	What was the deal? Like...why did they turn into creeps? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

issendai
2011-02-03 04:04 am UTC (link)

Basically, because it was an era of more liberation than enlightenment, and a lot of guys ended up with entitlement complexes. There was a general feeling that if you wanted it, then it was good, and if you couldn't prove that anyone was hurt, then no harm, no foul, right? Meanwhile, they hadn't scraped away the thick crust of male entitlement. So if a 40something thought a 15-year-old girl was hot, and she was into it (or at least looked into it--and there was a lot of pressure to be into it), then there was nothing wrong with their relationship, right? Or if you weren't going to go so far as to say it was okay to boink 15-year-olds, you at least felt free to say that you WANTED to boink 15-year-olds.

And then the second wave of feminism came along and said, "Guys, seriously, this is shit." Some guys said, "Oh, hey, you're right." Some said, "Stop being so humorless. I'm not hurting anyone--look, she wants it!" And a lot of guys got caught between the two messages, both wanting to be MEN and wanting to not be dicks. I get the impression from them nowadays that they feel there are two versions of reality: the men's reality, and this other, socially acceptable reality that you have to pretend you believe in. They get creepily excited at anything that lets them bring the men's reality into polite reality, kind of like little boys giggling at dirty jokes at the back of the classroom. They tend to show up a lot in discussions of evolutionary psychology--you know, the science that proves that humanity evolved to be exactly like 1950's America.

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	re_weird 2011-02-03 03:35 pm UTC (link)
	...that explains some things about my dad. :( He can be pretty awesome (he once on his own volunteered that the "walk of shame" concept was really unfair and sexist) but....yeah. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ekaterinv 2011-02-03 04:06 am UTC (link)
	They embraced the sexual revolution but not the feminist revolution? I'm thinking of the guys that age I know who are creeps, and that seems to be a large part of it. (Most of the guys I know who grew up then are not creeps, but most of my experience with guys that age is either with family or professors. Some of the latter are also quite creeptastic, but not most.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kookaburra 2011-02-03 05:44 am UTC (link)
	"Free love" = "Free access to women's bodies" (Reply to this)(Parent)

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