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	damnedfallacy 2011-03-09 11:42 pm UTC (link)
	On the FB page the "get back in the kitchen" comments have now been outweighed by someone threatening to show a rape survivor what it's like to not survive a rape. Yeah. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	damnedfallacy 2011-03-09 11:46 pm UTC (link)
	Although it looks like someone has now removed those comments, thankfully. No screenshots, but at least one later commentor quoted it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cygnia 2011-03-10 12:15 am UTC (link)
	There is no desk sturdy enough to hold the impact of my head's rage and frustration... :( (Reply to this)(Parent)

littleshebear
2011-03-10 12:17 am UTC (link)

*Raises hand* That was me (Disclosure: I only just saw this post, I wasn't trolling the wank). Also note the (female) commenter threatening to whip her to get her to STFU. Charming.

I didn't get any caps unfortunately but the deleted comments are pretty much Obnoxious Misogyny 101;
*I'm ugly.
*I'm angry because I don't have a man to "pound me."
*He doesn't care what I think because I'm submissive to him and he won't listen until I get a man to speak for me.
*I need to "get back to my job at Starbucks."
*"When did men start putting computers in kitchens?"
*"This is what happens when men let their cunts off the leash."
*"This is what happens when people are allowed to think for themselves." (by "People" I assume he means women.)
*My opinion is worthless because I live in England which makes me not even a person, much less a woman. FYI, I live in Scotland, but whatever.

There was more. He's so edgy. With hindsight, he was blatantly a troll so I shouldn't have engaged but the threats he made to that rape survivor were so disgusting, I couldn't let it lie.

It's like a minature version of the Penny Arcade debacle. They go on and on about how trivial it is yet they go from nought to violent rhetoric in no time at all.

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napalmnacey
2011-03-10 12:34 am UTC (link)

I'm glad I missed all that. Just reading about it is giving me Dizzy!Head. I never used to get that, it wasn't until I was assaulted. After that, when I'm triggered in a huge way and I feel overwhelmed by the aggression, I get dizzy sitting down. I have to actually step away and calm down or I will fall unconscious.

I never thought that I would feel unwelcome in Trek fandom. What pisses me off is that I've been a Trek fan longer than most of these shitheads have been alive.

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littleshebear
2011-03-10 01:11 am UTC (link)

He can say he's trolling and doing it for the lulz all he likes but at the end of the day, these tactics are about intimidating and shaming women into silence (or into agreeing and cheerleading for them) and quite frankly, I was buggered if I was going to go along with that.

It's the level of agression and vitriol that slays me. Are they so intimidated at a women expressing an opinion that they have to lash out like this? It's really pathetic.

I'm so sorry this happened to you. You really shouldn't have to put up with this bullshit.

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napalmnacey
2011-03-10 01:18 am UTC (link)

Well, I wish I could say it was a surprise, but after the bullshit that was the Penny Arcade Clusterfuck, I'm not. I'm really not.

But thanks. I think the most upsetting thing is that a lot of these people that harrassed me are younger than I am, and are probably nowhere near as dedicated to Trek as I've been in the past. Doesn't count if you had the dumb luck (or lack there-of) to be born a woman.

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	phosfate 2011-03-10 03:01 pm UTC (link)
	What pisses me off is that I've been a Trek fan longer than most of these shitheads have been alive. Word. Up. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	napalmnacey 2011-03-10 11:19 pm UTC (link)
	GIT OFF MAH LAWN! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	full_metal_ox 2011-03-13 12:31 am UTC (link)
	And you might even remember when a lot of literary SF fandom was snarling at Trek fandom as the Kids On The Lawn. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2011-03-14 03:04 pm UTC (link)
	I remember it more as STOP GIRLING UP SF WITH YOUR STUPID BEING GIRLS YOU BIG BUNCH OF GIRLS. Now, of course, Star Trek is classic SF so WE'VE GOT TO CLEAN THE GIRLINESS OUT OF IT. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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tehrin
2011-03-10 05:40 am UTC (link)

All those comments are horrible (that isn't a strong enough word for it but I don't know what is).

I always hate when "pound" is used in reference to sex which I hope the poster meant because it doesn't make me think of sex because the alternative is getting beat up. Which all be it, gives good reason angry though it would have NOTHING AT ALL to do with this post. And neither does sex save objectification of women.

Unfortunately this reminds me that fandom at large still has ways to go before it becomes a safe space for women.

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	littleshebear 2011-03-10 09:29 am UTC (link)
	I always hate when "pound" is used in reference to sex It was a reference to sex, I'm pretty sure the word "cunt" was involved somewhere but I can't remember the exact quote. And yeah, I hate it too because its equating violence with sex which I'm pretty sure is indicitave of something. Oh yeah, that'd be rape culture. (Reply to this)(Parent)

chikane
2011-03-10 07:26 am UTC (link)

That's the thing: They may do it for trolling, but that doesn't make it any better. In fact, it makes it worse:

It shows that this guy is drowning in misogyny so much that he thinks death threats and rape threats are just a way to mock people. Complete and utter lack of empathy there that simply makes it stop mattering if he "believes every word he says" or "is just trolling".

End result is exactly the same.

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	alexielnet 2011-03-10 07:56 am UTC (link)
	That is such an excellent point and it was very eloquently made. This person's behavior is disgusting. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	littleshebear 2011-03-10 09:32 am UTC (link)
	That's a very good point. It doesn't matter if you're "just joking," you're still contributing to the overall culture of fear. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2011-03-10 03:02 pm UTC (link)
	"The boys throw stones at the frogs in jest, but the frogs die in earnest." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sadisticferret 2011-03-10 09:21 pm UTC (link)
	That is an awesome quote. May I ask where it's from, so that I can attribute it properly when I use it? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2011-03-10 09:31 pm UTC (link)
	It's in The Female Man by Joanna Russ, but I don't know if it's hers or she was quoting someone else. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	snarkhunter 2011-03-22 03:51 am UTC (link)
	Jesus. I'm so, so sorry. (Late to the game, but...my god.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	napalmnacey 2011-03-10 12:52 am UTC (link)
	I was that rape survivor, since I was the first to object. You know, I'd like to go one year without some quivering douche-canoe threatening my safety and personhood. Just one year. Twelve months, man. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	damnedfallacy 2011-03-10 04:19 am UTC (link)
	I'm really sorry. That was just one of the worst things I ever read and I've worked in child protection. If it helps, I didn't know it was you, but I was one of the 'likes' on your comments. I didn't make any comments because I was so enraged I couldn't come up with anything that didn't include the word 'douche-nozzle.' (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

napalmnacey
2011-03-10 04:39 am UTC (link)

I wasn't reticent in ploughing in because it doesn't matter where I go online, I've been here for over 10 years using the same usernames, being in the same fandoms, doing the same paintings and what-not. I've been working at being well known, so my name is around anyway. I've been tracked down before through LJ so I figure, I'm saving the scary douche-bags five minutes by just posting with my real name on FB.

I won't lie - I've been triggered this morning. Mainly feelings of utter helplessness and futility. Sometimes I can't help believe that no matter what one does, no matter how brilliant one is at one's chosen profession, no matter what clever thing one says, no matter who you inspire or who you interact with, it won't matter in the end, because you're a woman. And a woman just doesn't matter in this world.

Of course I'd never believe a word of that. Ever.

I think I need to watch Lady Gaga's new clip a few times to cheer myself up.

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	cassildra 2011-03-17 12:48 am UTC (link)
	I don't follow things on Facebook--I rarely log in--but I'm so, so sorry this happened to you. It's funny, most of the fandom people I know are women... I don't understand why it's still treated like a "boys-only" club. idek. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snarkhunter 2011-03-22 03:53 am UTC (link)
	(Late to this) I wish I could give that year to you. To all of us. I'm so sorry. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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