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platedlizard ([info]platedlizard) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-03-16 19:50:00
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HMS_STFU race wank
I'm just going to post this right here.

There's racism and sexism and ablism and I-don't-know-what-ism.


Full disclosure: I did comment in the post in a thread unrelated to the wank.

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[info]tehrin
2011-03-17 05:34 am UTC (link)
She doesn't just have one ism, but the whole buffet.

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[info]viralmemory
2011-03-17 05:37 am UTC (link)
I was going to post asking just how 'twit' is ablist, but am now glad I looked it up first. Huh. Am now further educated.

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[info]quantumreality
2011-03-17 05:40 am UTC (link)
I actually had no idea till I looked it up. O.o

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[info]spacelogic
2011-03-17 05:49 am UTC (link)
Where'd you look it up? I checked the dictionary definitions and the etymologies looked innocent enough, and then I Googled "twit ableist" and didn't get anything that looked relevant, so now I'm very curious what I'm missing.

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[info]platedlizard
2011-03-17 05:59 am UTC (link)
Wikipedia says it means "idiot or mentally deficient person"

I actually thought it was something bird-related, one of those tiny birds that flit around going 'twit twit'

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[info]aaron_agonistes
2011-03-17 06:12 am UTC (link)
Interesting. etymonline.com says that the origin of the word is "blame" or "reproach", so the current usage would be a person behaving in a manner foolish enough to warrant a reproving comment. Is there anywhere other that wiki that it's listed as being specifically ableist?

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[info]life_on_mars
2011-03-17 11:13 pm UTC (link)
the origin of the word is "blame" or "reproach",

That's in the verb form. As a noun, it tends to mean someone blundering and incompetent rather than mentally deficient.

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[info]eclatante
2011-03-18 06:08 am UTC (link)
The noun meaning "foolish, stupid and ineffectual person" is first attested 1934 in British slang, popular 1950s-60s, crossed over to U.S. with British sitcoms. It probably developed from the verb sense of "reproach" but may be influenced by "nitwit".

The bolded part is probably what people are thinking about. In any case certain activisty folk aren't too fond of certain modern conceptions of intelligence (i.e., intelligence as universally measurable/comparable, lack of culturally conceived intelligence as subhumanizing, etc.), so maybe that's also playing a part?

idk my bff etymology

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-03-18 09:36 am UTC (link)
From what I know, (I'm Australian so it's used a lot in our lexicon) it just means to be very silly or foolish. I don't see where the connection to intelligence levels come from.

I hope it's not ableist, cause I love that word. My Mum and I use it all the time when the cat does something silly.

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[info]spacelogic
2011-03-17 06:34 am UTC (link)
Ah. Okay. I'm not sure I think that's a reliable definition, because it doesn't match up with what I found anywhere else (I did see some with "idiot" in them but it was clearly not the, uh, clinical sense of the word) but it's good to know where that came from anyway.

(This is not to say I'm dismissing the concern because of the dictionary definition and etymology -- the important thing is, of course, not hurting people. I just wanted to know if there were some kind of ugly history to the term that I wasn't aware of because I'm a geek.)

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[info]platedlizard
2011-03-17 06:39 am UTC (link)
Eh, I admit, I'm probably not going to concern myself with it. It's not something that's currently used in reference toward people with cognitive issues like retarded is.

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[info]spawn_of_kong
2011-03-17 09:35 am UTC (link)
Huh. I've always associated it with the Roald Dahl book, in which the titular characters are a pair of horrible, mean-spirited people.

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[info]platedlizard
2011-03-17 06:11 am UTC (link)
Googling it a bit it's a homonym of 'idiot' (which I knew), but as it turns out 'idiot' itself means someone who is mentally deficient (I assume cognitively impaired etc). Not only that, idiot has legal meaning is several states.

I have to admit, knowing this probably won't stop me from calling someone an idiot in the future.

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[info]chienne
2011-03-17 07:09 am UTC (link)
IIRC, "idiot" used to be the term used for people with profound mental retardation.

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[info]eclatante
2011-03-18 03:51 am UTC (link)
Yuh. I actually didn't know any of this until I read an article specifically about it, and I really don't think anyone in my offline social circles knew either -- but refraining isn't going affect me negatively, except that I'd have to pause before ranting, and that's not necessarily a bad thing :P

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[info]notjo
2011-03-18 06:39 am UTC (link)
Oh, yes. There's a whole list of them that have made their way into the insult lexicon of English for just that reason.

When I do research at the archives, I have to look up the school I'm writing about under "children, defective and backward". They're blind.

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[info]eclatante
2011-03-18 06:42 am UTC (link)
...ouch.

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[info]nevermore
2011-03-17 06:39 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I just decided...not to open my mouth with any of this so not to insert foot when I first saw the anoncomment. Glad I did so. D:

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[info]sandyclaws68
2011-03-17 06:05 pm UTC (link)
When I saw that comment I hit the Back button so fast I left skid marks. No way was I going to touch any of that.

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2011-03-17 07:54 am UTC (link)
The things I miss when Bejeweled eats me for hours. I'm kinda glad.

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[info]lilychan
2011-03-17 10:11 am UTC (link)
Change that to ponies for me.

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[info]spawn_of_kong
2011-03-17 12:43 pm UTC (link)
Somehow, changing the sentence to "when ponies eat me for hours" makes me think of the man-eating Mares of Diomedes.

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[info]re_weird
2011-03-17 02:07 pm UTC (link)
I skimmed it because of finals. A good thing in retrospect.

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[info]galateus
2011-03-17 09:52 am UTC (link)
What happens next, I don't know. I'm not the only mod. My vote is either to close anonymous commenting or delete this community. We'll see.

Uh-oh. Better get screencaps.

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[info]viralmemory
2011-03-17 10:22 am UTC (link)
...And Anon comments are closed in that comm. It's a good thing they didn't delete the community, h_landless would be JF-homeless too! (I kid.)

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[info]nevermore
2011-03-17 06:29 pm UTC (link)
aaaand now the com is temporarily closed I guess.

Okay.

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[info]chalts
2011-03-18 05:41 am UTC (link)
Ahem. Permenantly now.

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[info]mirhanda
2011-03-17 08:01 pm UTC (link)
Jeeze, I sure hope they don't close the community. I really enjoy it and I think getting rid of anon comments should fix any issue. But seriously, it's not like that kind of thing happens a lot.

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[info]oxfordcomma
2011-03-17 07:36 pm UTC (link)
Now gone? Screened? Screencaps, anyone?

I saw this thread in its early stages and hightailed it out of there before the rage took over.

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[info]chienne
2011-03-17 09:02 pm UTC (link)
I saved the wanky thread last night, right after it was frozen.

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http://backupurl.com/365qlo
http://backupurl.com/f1wmzc
http://backupurl.com/uc7fm9
http://backupurl.com/gjkj5f
http://backupurl.com/xnpklr

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[info]das_mervin
2011-03-18 12:30 am UTC (link)
Just temporarily screened. The mods are talking.

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[info]baranduyn
2011-03-18 08:42 am UTC (link)
Obviously, we've talked.

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[info]phosfate
2011-03-18 04:08 pm UTC (link)
Guess what? The Dark Mark is also FICTION. As a non-white woman, I couldn't care less whether somebody had a tattoo of the DM.

I hate reading this stuff first thing in the morning, because my brain first parsed that as, "The Dark Mark is also FICTION. As are non-white women."

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[info]sailorlum
2011-03-19 07:21 am UTC (link)
Bummer. D: I'm glad I decided not to venture out online when I was sick these last few days (this would def not have cheered me up).

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[info]mneiai
2011-03-20 09:50 pm UTC (link)
Okay, wait, I'm confused...are they saying that white women have no right to speak up about fascism? Because that's O.o Unless Germany/Spain/Italy/etc. of just a few decades ago don't count or something?

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[info]cb_tube_knight
2011-03-24 07:07 pm UTC (link)
Yeah I am sad to see it go, but I hope there will be a bigger variety of wanks over here to laugh at.

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