Because comparing Zoe Saldana to a Monkey is totally not racist
Generally speaking, by some miracle, Star Trek fandom has managed to be relatively wank-free (you know. For a large fandom. Either that, or I'm hanging out in the wrong places online, which is totally a possibility).

Of late, however, there have been underground rumblings, of someone who wants to spend their time bashing Nu-Uhura, presumably for breaking up the Epic Wuv between Kirk and Spock. But I'm not sharing this with y'all because someone is wanking about their OTP being harshed. No, this goes much further, and deeper, than that.

The rabbit hole apparently starts here. Unfortunately, no one capped the deleted comments, so we'll never see the fic in question.

You see, the person who wrote the deleted fic (one lotus_fly) at one point had up an image that...well, I'll just let you see for yourself. (WARNING: This is the beginning of the unfunny. Also, if you browse that journal you'll see a whole lot of misogyny in addition to the racism.)

But of course, The people calling lotus_fly on her racism are just like racists! Or maybe they're meeeeeeeean, because they MADE her delete her posts. But a thoughtful mouse provides a screencap so we can all see what she said, anyway.

And so, lotus_fly sets off and starts her own community with rules allowing character bashing, but no bashing of those who do the bashing of the characters, thereby "proving" that she never had racist intent.

Wait.

What?

(Entry edited because I apparently have pronoun issues)

Edited to Add:
Apparently, lotus_fly posted some of her fic to the LiveJournal Where_No_Woman community. This went about as well for her as you might think and resulted in her bannination.

And, there has been journal bahleetion.

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	drakyndra 2010-09-29 07:03 pm UTC (link)
	I liked the old Uhura, you know where she sang to the others but stayed out of the action and never ever got in the way of any slash. You know when she stayed in the backgorund? I'm not sure if the fact she's so willing to admit she just hates her for getting in the way of the slash is admirably honest or not. Probably not, given the rest of the content. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	sistercoyote 2010-09-29 07:45 pm UTC (link)
	It's honest. I don't know if it's admirable or not, but it's honest. I like the post where she basically says Gaila is a slut because she doesn't cover up when Uhura comes in the room and doesn't tell Uhura to go somewhere else to get undressed. Um, what? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cat_mcdougall 2010-09-29 08:07 pm UTC (link)
	But girls that share a room NEVER EVER EVER undress in front of each other. EVAR. Unless they're icky, icky lesbos that just wanna gawk. ... Dammit, now I have to go burn my keyboard for writing that. (In case my sarcasm comes off wrong, please understand it IS sarcasm and I don't share this view.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sistercoyote 2010-09-29 08:27 pm UTC (link)
	No worries -- I had more or less exactly the same thought about what she must be thinking. I mean, I'm relatively body shy, or I was in college, anyway, and I dressed and undressed in front of my roommates. But I think that's you and I using Earth logic again. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tehrin 2010-09-30 12:37 am UTC (link)
	My train of thought was "Has she ever been in a high school locker room?" That was my awkward stage, but it wasn't really avoidable. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	evilsqueakers 2010-09-30 05:07 am UTC (link)
	To be fair, in high school....I changed in the bathroom stall cause I wasn't confident at all since I was the heaviest girl in PE. Every. Time. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sistercoyote 2010-09-30 05:40 pm UTC (link)
	I learned how to change my clothes while exposing the minimum of skin. This has proven to be a fairly useful skill later in life, frighteningly enough. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	evilsqueakers 2010-09-30 10:56 pm UTC (link)
	I sadly couldn't hide my gut or big boobs, so I changed from jeans/tee/socks to sweats/shirt/socks in a 90s sized bathroom stall. Not afraid of tight spaces anymore, though. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	littleshebear 2010-09-30 01:10 am UTC (link)
	I think in her mind, many, many things can make a woman a slut: Having sex, being in a monogamous relationship, getting undressed in front of your roomate, expressing an opinion, being in possession of a uterus... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kylenne 2010-09-30 03:27 am UTC (link)
	Don't forget breathing. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kookaburra 2010-09-30 07:23 pm UTC (link)
	I remember a girl in my suite in my freshman dorm (I attended a private religious college) made her roommate change in the bathroom so there would be no nudity sullying their "sanctuary of rest". I could count all the veins in her scalp when she first saw the A&F poster of a comely young lad I put on the outside of my room's door. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sistercoyote 2010-09-30 07:41 pm UTC (link)
	I had a religious roommate one year, and she changed in the bathroom but didn't ask me to do so (I would have, to respect her beliefs). But that's a little...excessive? Did she not study in her dorm room, either, so it wasn't sullied by work? What's an A&F? And, yeah, how dare you tempt her! g (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

kookaburra
2010-09-30 07:49 pm UTC (link)

Abercrombie and Fitch - my BFF worked there at the time and got lots of their ~~softcore porn swag~~ advertising collateral.

IDEK where or when she studied, she was in almost every social group and a ton of honors classes, and was rarely in her room.

All I know is that we breathed a sigh of relief when she moved out at the end of the semester...for all of her uptightness, none of the rules about having men in the dorms before or after certain hours applied to the men in HER life, and her family came up from Oxnard EVERY WEEKEND at like 5:00am to take her home. So many times I stumbled out of bed to go pee on a Saturday morning and ran into a leering teenage boy. (Her ENTIRE FAMILY came up - mother, father, siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and they were fucking LOUD.) Argh. The girl who replaced her was all worried about fitting in and we assured her that she would pretty much have to be Lizzie Borden to make us regret the switch.

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	mary_mac 2010-10-03 10:36 pm UTC (link)
	Heh, mostly girls just have to be sharing a house. The lone male in our house in undergrad spent a lot of time screaming and hiding his eyes because people were wandering about half dressed and asking where random bits of clothing had got to. Then he got to retaliating in kind instead. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cmdr_zoom 2010-09-29 08:36 pm UTC (link)
	As you and sistercoyote said, it's honest. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	havocthecat 2010-09-30 03:08 pm UTC (link)
	Is outright admitting your misogyny (women getting in the way of men) actually an admirable thing? I think not. Honest, yes, which is preferable, but not admirably honest. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	drakyndra 2010-09-30 03:13 pm UTC (link)
	I think I just so used to people claiming that they hate the women in the way of slash for other reasons that I was surprised to see someone flat out admit it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

havocthecat
2010-09-30 03:18 pm UTC (link)

For me, I'm used to at least some of the people out there thinking that admitting that they hate the women for getting in the way of the slash means they're being just honest enough to get anti-misogyny cookies out of it.

I mean, sure, at least they admit it, but I've seen so much misogyny in fandom that admitting misogyny isn't any less frustrating or anger-inducing than the unadmitted/unconscious misogyny.

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	havocthecat 2010-09-30 03:19 pm UTC (link)
	And I should also be clear that the racism is also really not on and annoys me just as much, in case that wasn't clear. (Because I did just post about misogyny, which could well be construed as me implicitly condoning the icky, icky racism.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

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