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Like a book club, except with more sex! ([info]notjo) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2009-04-12 11:05:00


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Amazon thinks you should be protected from GLTB novels
I got this from [info]rydra_wong here:

Amazon is stripping the sales ranks from GLBT books, thus preventing them from showing up in some bestseller lists and searches (and potentially directly damaging their sales), on the grounds that they are "adult" material.

(This is regardless of whether they contain any explicit sex. Meanwhile, books with explicit heterosexual sex scenes retain their sales rank, as long as they're not overtly marketed as "erotica".)


More details here

ETA:
A petition
Twitter - #amazonfail
Roundup Post, includes posts linking to what books are losing their sales ratings.
Contact Amazon's exec customer service dept at ecr@amazon.com to let them know what you think. Customer service phone number is 1-800-201-7575

From [info]arionhunter in the comments, FYI: Not only LGBT books are going under - feminist and general sexuality books are having their ranks stripped as well. Oh, those silly disabled people, trying to be intimate like the rest of us.

[I own that book linked. It's one of the few books that explicitly talks about sex for PWD and includes sections on kink.]

ETA 2:

Amazon Blames Glitch, blah blah. The PW site went down about five minutes after it hit twitter, so here is the text:

Amazon Says Glitch to Blame for "New" Adult Policy
By Rachel Deahl & Jim Milliot -- Publishers Weekly, 4/12/2009 5:49:00 PM

A groundswell of outrage, concern and confusion sprang up over the weekend, largely via Twitter, in response to what authors and others believed was a decision by Amazon to remove adult titles from its sales ranking. On Sunday evening, however, an Amazon spokesperson said that a glitch had occurred in its sales ranking feature that was in the process of being fixed. The spokesperson added that there was no new adult policy.

For most of the weekend on Twitter, in conversations with the hash tag "#amazonfail," users were discussing the fact that the e-tailer was removing the sales rankings for books that it deemed featured "adult content." Many readers, and writers, decried the fact that Amazon appears to be removing the sales ranking for titles that feature gay and lesbian characters and/or themes.

The director of the Erotic Authors Association, who goes by the pen name Erastes, told PW that many of her members "noticed their titles had been stripped of their sales rankings" on Amazon. One, Mark Probst, contacted a customer service representative at Amazon and wrote about the exchange on his blog. Probst wrote that the Amazon rep responded to his inquiry by saying that "'adult' material" is being excluded from appearing in "some searches and best seller lists" as a "consideration of our entire customer base."

Whether a glitch or new policy, titles like James Baldwin's Giovanni's Room and Annie Proulx's Brokeback Mountain are among the titles who have lost their ranking.

ETA 3:
I shoulda been a better OP and been posting updates as they came in.

This started in February

This is not a Glitch

Bantown theory [I don't buy this theory, but YMMV]

Dear Author does a timeline

Dear Author explains metatagging [This is the theory I buy]

Troll claims responsibility [Which I really don't buy, because a) It's Weev and b) it's been debunked. And c) because it only works if you think the only books targetted are GLTB books, and it wasn't.

Debunking of Troll-code



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[info]sandglass
2009-04-12 03:54 pm UTC (link)
Fuck you, Amazon.com. Now I know where I won't be shopping anymore.

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[info]yoritomo_reiko
2009-04-12 04:18 pm UTC (link)
Damn it, I don't have another good place to buy from here.

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(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2009-04-12 09:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]yoritomo_reiko, 2009-04-12 09:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2009-04-12 09:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bolboreta, 2009-04-12 09:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sparkysrevenge, 2009-04-13 12:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2009-04-13 06:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sparkysrevenge, 2009-04-13 10:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2009-04-13 10:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]morganmuffle, 2009-04-12 10:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lyras, 2009-04-12 11:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]disdainful_soul, 2009-04-13 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lyras, 2009-04-13 05:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]oconel, 2009-04-13 06:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2009-04-15 04:51 pm UTC

[info]also_not_a_pipe
2009-04-12 04:25 pm UTC (link)
I'm sort of glad I haven't been able to make up my mind whether I wanted to buy one of the digital SLRs that are ridiculously cheap on Amazon or go on vacation later this year, because I for damn sure know which one I'm not doing now.

I wonder, is there a specific contact for "I was going to buy this multi-hundred-dollar thing from you, but I'm not going to now"-type letters, and would it even make a difference to tell them that?

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(no subject) - [info]evening_rose, 2009-04-13 02:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]also_not_a_pipe, 2009-04-13 03:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evening_rose, 2009-04-13 03:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]also_not_a_pipe, 2009-04-13 03:24 am UTC

[info]bof
2009-04-12 04:43 pm UTC (link)
Oh, fuck these fucking fucks.

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[info]deliciouschaos
2009-04-12 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Oh, what the fuck.

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[info]spacelogic
2009-04-12 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Good job I was already on my way to boycotting them. *supports her Friendly Local*

Also, took me for-freaking-ever to find a contact page for them -- clicked two links into the help section, if anyone's wondering.

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(no subject) - [info]spacelogic, 2009-04-12 07:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-04-13 01:37 pm UTC

[info]persona
2009-04-12 05:19 pm UTC (link)
... I want to know who thought that the company could get away with this without backlash.

Really, Amazon?

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[info]arionhunter
2009-04-12 05:45 pm UTC (link)
FYI: Not only LGBT books are going under - feminist and general sexuality books are having their ranks stripped as well.

Oh, those silly disabled people, trying to be intimate like the rest of us.

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2009-04-12 05:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]arionhunter, 2009-04-12 05:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]felinephoenix, 2009-04-12 05:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]persona, 2009-04-12 07:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-12 08:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-04-13 01:38 pm UTC

[info]ustareth
2009-04-12 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Good-bye, Amazon.com account.

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[info]sarracenia
2009-04-12 06:14 pm UTC (link)
Goddamnit, and my local bookstores are closing down too. At this rate, I'm not going to anywhere to buy books.

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(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-04-13 07:16 pm UTC

[info]goddessleila
2009-04-12 06:40 pm UTC (link)
I checked my flist a minute ago and saw this exploding in seven or eight posts in a row, and rightly so. I wonder if it's occurred to them that the reason sales rankings were important was because people are buying these books. Do they really think that people weren't going to notice this? Seriously?

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[info]risha
2009-04-12 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Oh, for fuck's sake.

(I'm sorry, PWD? I'm not familiar with the abbreviation.)

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2009-04-12 06:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2009-04-12 08:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2009-04-12 09:07 pm UTC

[info]finchbird
2009-04-12 06:54 pm UTC (link)
I'm so happy I never get anything from Amazon. It looks like I won't anytime soon either.

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[info]notarose
2009-04-12 07:17 pm UTC (link)
The #amazonfail tag is now the leading trend for Twitter posts, beating Easter, Zombie Jesus, Masters, and a whole bunch of other stuff.

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[info]ellensmithee
2009-04-12 07:20 pm UTC (link)
The rankings are still there for some of the Kindle editions. Which absolutely guarantees that I'll never, ever buy a Kindle.

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(no subject) - [info]arionhunter, 2009-04-12 07:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ellensmithee, 2009-04-12 10:36 pm UTC

[info]rubymellon
2009-04-12 07:28 pm UTC (link)
FFFFFF and I just bought a yuri manga from there, too.

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(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2009-04-12 09:07 pm UTC

[info]stella_polaris
2009-04-12 07:54 pm UTC (link)
I was just about to post about this, good thing I checked if someone had been faster.


Poster about this on my LJ, my FaceBook, sent angry feedback to Amazon, and signed the petition, even if my faith in petitions is weak to say the least.

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[info]blue_penguin
2009-04-12 08:03 pm UTC (link)
Oh, you have got to be kidding me. Jesus Christ, Amazon.

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-04-13 01:40 pm UTC

[info]mary_mac
2009-04-12 08:11 pm UTC (link)
Mildly surprised Armistead Maupin's stuff still has rankings, given that they've pulled it off EM Forster.

Ooooh. Eeeenteresting. They've pulled the ranking from the Norton edition but not the Penguin Classic Forster editions. So not entirely suicidal then? Or something?

So completely stupid.

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(no subject) - [info]bobafeis, 2009-04-13 04:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mary_mac, 2009-04-13 06:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bobafeis, 2009-04-13 06:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mary_mac, 2009-04-13 07:10 am UTC

[info]gardnerhill
2009-04-12 08:11 pm UTC (link)
My sister buys a ton of stuff from Amazon. Routinely.

,,,Well, now it's bought. She has a gay son.

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[info]cat_mcdougall
2009-04-12 08:23 pm UTC (link)
GUYS, for an alternative to Amazon, that takes PayPal, and whom I've had a really nice relatioinship with the few times I've bought books online?

Books-A-Million.com

Fuck Amazon. I can, and will, take my business elsewhere.

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(no subject) - [info]finchbird, 2009-04-12 08:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kefanii, 2009-04-12 11:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]persona, 2009-04-13 12:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-04-13 01:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ymfaery, 2009-04-13 09:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2009-04-13 05:02 pm UTC

[info]j_crew_guy
2009-04-12 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Wow. My husband and I had a few subscriptions with Amazon for gluten-free foods and baking mixes. Not any more.

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[info]illyria_jem
2009-04-12 08:33 pm UTC (link)
One site is suggesting Google-bombing:

Amazon Rank

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[info]harumph
2009-04-12 08:37 pm UTC (link)
In addition to (or perhaps as an alternative to) the petition, the Smart Bitches have organized a Google Bomb campaign by defining Amazon rank as a new word. They're trying to get it added to urbandictionary.com, too, but I haven't heard any more details on that.

Also, if people are looking for a good online book buying alternative, I'd highly recommend Powells. They're the largest independent bookstore in the US and, as a former Portlander (unfortunately forced to relocate to the midwest for grad school) I can state for a fact that they are a) awesome and b) better than Disneyland.

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(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2009-04-12 08:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]notarose, 2009-04-13 12:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]elfy, 2009-04-13 02:06 am UTC

[info]jkefka
2009-04-12 08:52 pm UTC (link)
What the FUCK Amazon. You should know better. Time to move my business elsewhere.

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