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Like a book club, except with more sex! ([info]notjo) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2009-04-12 11:05:00


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Amazon thinks you should be protected from GLTB novels
I got this from [info]rydra_wong here:

Amazon is stripping the sales ranks from GLBT books, thus preventing them from showing up in some bestseller lists and searches (and potentially directly damaging their sales), on the grounds that they are "adult" material.

(This is regardless of whether they contain any explicit sex. Meanwhile, books with explicit heterosexual sex scenes retain their sales rank, as long as they're not overtly marketed as "erotica".)


More details here

ETA:
A petition
Twitter - #amazonfail
Roundup Post, includes posts linking to what books are losing their sales ratings.
Contact Amazon's exec customer service dept at ecr@amazon.com to let them know what you think. Customer service phone number is 1-800-201-7575

From [info]arionhunter in the comments, FYI: Not only LGBT books are going under - feminist and general sexuality books are having their ranks stripped as well. Oh, those silly disabled people, trying to be intimate like the rest of us.

[I own that book linked. It's one of the few books that explicitly talks about sex for PWD and includes sections on kink.]

ETA 2:

Amazon Blames Glitch, blah blah. The PW site went down about five minutes after it hit twitter, so here is the text:

Amazon Says Glitch to Blame for "New" Adult Policy
By Rachel Deahl & Jim Milliot -- Publishers Weekly, 4/12/2009 5:49:00 PM

A groundswell of outrage, concern and confusion sprang up over the weekend, largely via Twitter, in response to what authors and others believed was a decision by Amazon to remove adult titles from its sales ranking. On Sunday evening, however, an Amazon spokesperson said that a glitch had occurred in its sales ranking feature that was in the process of being fixed. The spokesperson added that there was no new adult policy.

For most of the weekend on Twitter, in conversations with the hash tag "#amazonfail," users were discussing the fact that the e-tailer was removing the sales rankings for books that it deemed featured "adult content." Many readers, and writers, decried the fact that Amazon appears to be removing the sales ranking for titles that feature gay and lesbian characters and/or themes.

The director of the Erotic Authors Association, who goes by the pen name Erastes, told PW that many of her members "noticed their titles had been stripped of their sales rankings" on Amazon. One, Mark Probst, contacted a customer service representative at Amazon and wrote about the exchange on his blog. Probst wrote that the Amazon rep responded to his inquiry by saying that "'adult' material" is being excluded from appearing in "some searches and best seller lists" as a "consideration of our entire customer base."

Whether a glitch or new policy, titles like James Baldwin's Giovanni's Room and Annie Proulx's Brokeback Mountain are among the titles who have lost their ranking.

ETA 3:
I shoulda been a better OP and been posting updates as they came in.

This started in February

This is not a Glitch

Bantown theory [I don't buy this theory, but YMMV]

Dear Author does a timeline

Dear Author explains metatagging [This is the theory I buy]

Troll claims responsibility [Which I really don't buy, because a) It's Weev and b) it's been debunked. And c) because it only works if you think the only books targetted are GLTB books, and it wasn't.

Debunking of Troll-code



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[info]jkefka
2009-04-12 09:03 pm UTC (link)
By the way, Digg this, if you're a digging sort. More press is good.

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[info]plazmah
2009-04-12 09:11 pm UTC (link)
D:

I'm so glad I buy from Chapters/Indigo.

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[info]bobafeis
2009-04-12 09:19 pm UTC (link)
I was upset that Unfriendly Fire (non-fic about gays in the military) and Maurice (an almost century-old classic by E.M. fucking Forster) were on that list, but then I saw that Heather has Two Mommies is on there as well. I've gone past upset and come out in that overly calm place where nothing seems to make sense.

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[info]bolboreta
2009-04-12 09:32 pm UTC (link)
*rages*

Can anyone recommend any European alternatives? I'd recently started using Amazon UK instead because I save a lot on shipping (to Spain). And buying books in English from a store here really isn't an option (they do sell some, but for twice as much!).

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(no subject) - [info]mary_mac, 2009-04-12 09:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]morganmuffle, 2009-04-12 10:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lyras, 2009-04-12 11:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dreamer_marie, 2009-04-13 08:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lyras, 2009-04-14 02:54 am UTC

[info]chikane
2009-04-12 09:35 pm UTC (link)
http://www.amazon.com/Unfriendly-Fire-Undermines-Military-Weakens/dp/0312373481/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239554070&sr=1-1

Books on military doctrine are notorious for racy sex scenes and porn, apparently.

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(no subject) - [info]finchbird, 2009-04-12 09:39 pm UTC

[info]phosfate
2009-04-12 09:51 pm UTC (link)
Email addresses if you don't want to use the 'contact me' page: orders@amazon.com or info@amazon.com

Amazon.com, Inc. Media Hotline: 206-266-7180

And the supposed address for EXECUTIVE customer service: ecr@amazon.com

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[info]dhaunea
2009-04-12 10:24 pm UTC (link)
I live with a shut-in and thus... I don't get out to shop. Like, ever. Amazon was my one-stop place for lots of things (computer games, the odd kitchen appliance) and, most importantly, used books.

Now what the fuck am I supposed to do, as I sure as hell won't be giving them another red cent of my money.

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(no subject) - [info]lanas_archive, 2009-04-13 05:20 pm UTC

[info]altera
2009-04-12 10:39 pm UTC (link)
I just canceled a pre-order I had on there and put why in the comments box. BN.com has free expedited shipping anyway.

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[info]demonoflight
2009-04-12 10:44 pm UTC (link)
Fine, you bastards, I never liked you anyway. Stupid assholes won't ship anything to my country. *grumblemutter*

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(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-04-13 01:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]demonoflight, 2009-04-13 01:11 pm UTC

[info]jkefka
2009-04-12 10:55 pm UTC (link)
Google bomb has succeeded. Well done SBTB.

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[info]risha
2009-04-12 11:08 pm UTC (link)
The L.A. Times posted the story now.

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Related...?
[info]morwyn
2009-04-12 11:41 pm UTC (link)
I just noticed that if you search "homosexuality" on Amazon.com, the first result that comes up is A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality, and pretty much the rest of the results on the first page are in the same vein. Is this new?

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Re: Related...? - [info]darsynia, 2009-04-13 01:16 am UTC
Re: Related...? - [info]red_eft, 2009-04-13 03:01 am UTC
Re: Related...? - [info]veleda_k, 2009-04-13 04:53 am UTC
Re: Related...? - [info]redwarrior, 2009-04-13 07:57 pm UTC

[info]breecita
2009-04-12 11:54 pm UTC (link)
I've been de-ranked! \o/ I think I feel special. Or deviant. I'm not sure which.

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2009-04-13 12:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-13 12:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-04-13 01:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-13 03:02 pm UTC

[info]atalantapendrag
2009-04-13 12:26 am UTC (link)
I just emailed The Consumerist about it. I'd love to see them get their teeth into this one.

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[info]melannen
2009-04-13 12:35 am UTC (link)
It looks like what happened is they de-ranked things based on their top tags (we all know how well this worked for LJ and interests! :D ). And it just happened that "gay" and "homosexual" were some of the tags they pulled as adult-rated. How delightful.

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(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-13 12:47 am UTC

[info]khym_chanur
2009-04-13 12:37 am UTC (link)
Unfriendly Fire: How the Gay Ban Undermines the Military and Weakens America

Yeah, that's definitely adult material.

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[info]becktionary
2009-04-13 12:45 am UTC (link)
You know, after this fuckwittery, I shouldn't be surprised. And yet this caught me off-guard. D:

What pisses me off absolutely the most is the inclusion of Heather has Two Mommies on the list of Things Not Okay For The General Public To See. That just makes my blood boil, man.

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[info]kefanii
2009-04-13 12:49 am UTC (link)
So... banning gay books, but still selling tons of these.

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[info]fevered_ego
2009-04-13 01:03 am UTC (link)
Well darn the timing to heck. I bought a $1k Cintiq on Amazon just last week, and only now do they give me a good reason to shop elsewhere.

In my defense, it was a very gay-friendly Cintiq. I think it even has a lisp.

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[info]fevered_ego
2009-04-13 01:05 am UTC (link)
Oh damn, I just remembered my roomie has a gay fantasy/adventure novel on Amazon. I hope it hasn't been hit too. *goes to check*

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[info]pet
2009-04-13 01:24 am UTC (link)
Amazon Says Glitch to Blame for 'New' Adult Policy

A groundswell of outrage, concern and confusion sprang up over the weekend, largely via Twitter, in response to what authors and others believed was a decision by Amazon to remove adult titles from its sales rankings. An Amazon spokesperson on Sunday evening, however, said a glitch had caused the problem.

DAMMIT. Dammit! I had "social experiment" in the pool! Goddammit!

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(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-04-13 01:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]becktionary, 2009-04-13 01:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lexingmouse3, 2009-04-13 02:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gardnerhill, 2009-04-13 03:36 pm UTC

[info]defenestrate
2009-04-13 01:29 am UTC (link)
LOL @ this tweet by suelyn:

RT @ravenousromance: THE ANARCHIST COOKBOOK is ranked; JOY OF SEX is unranked.Amazon would rather you make napalm than get laid. #amazonfail

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[info]honorh
2009-04-13 01:42 am UTC (link)
They really thought this wouldn't get a negative reaction that would spank them up one side and down the other? That's so adorably imbecilic. Especially when they no doubt have tons of horror and romance books that are most definitely *not* family-friendly left in their rankings. Really, I don't see how they thought this would work.

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(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-13 05:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-04-13 07:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2009-04-13 07:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-13 03:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2009-04-13 03:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-13 03:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarkhunter, 2009-04-13 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-13 11:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-04-14 01:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-13 02:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-04-14 01:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-14 01:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2009-04-14 01:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-14 01:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-14 01:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2009-04-13 10:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-13 02:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2009-04-14 02:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-14 02:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2009-04-14 02:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-14 02:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2009-04-14 03:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-04-14 03:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2009-04-16 06:30 am UTC

[info]pet
2009-04-13 01:43 am UTC (link)
Oh hey! If you go check out the LA Times Blogpost about this, there's our favorite Goldberg (Tod) in the comments. It's like seeing an old friend at the grocery, or something.

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[info]fools_game
2009-04-13 01:51 am UTC (link)
One theory: http://tehdely.livejournal.com/88823.html

A fundy group a la Warriors For Innocence has been abusing a little-known "Mark this item as adult" function in order to acheive exactly this result. Amazon left scrambling.

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(no subject) - [info]mary_mac, 2009-04-13 06:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]munchkinott, 2009-04-13 09:54 am UTC


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