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Like a book club, except with more sex! ([info]notjo) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2009-04-12 11:05:00


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Amazon thinks you should be protected from GLTB novels
I got this from [info]rydra_wong here:

Amazon is stripping the sales ranks from GLBT books, thus preventing them from showing up in some bestseller lists and searches (and potentially directly damaging their sales), on the grounds that they are "adult" material.

(This is regardless of whether they contain any explicit sex. Meanwhile, books with explicit heterosexual sex scenes retain their sales rank, as long as they're not overtly marketed as "erotica".)


More details here

ETA:
A petition
Twitter - #amazonfail
Roundup Post, includes posts linking to what books are losing their sales ratings.
Contact Amazon's exec customer service dept at ecr@amazon.com to let them know what you think. Customer service phone number is 1-800-201-7575

From [info]arionhunter in the comments, FYI: Not only LGBT books are going under - feminist and general sexuality books are having their ranks stripped as well. Oh, those silly disabled people, trying to be intimate like the rest of us.

[I own that book linked. It's one of the few books that explicitly talks about sex for PWD and includes sections on kink.]

ETA 2:

Amazon Blames Glitch, blah blah. The PW site went down about five minutes after it hit twitter, so here is the text:

Amazon Says Glitch to Blame for "New" Adult Policy
By Rachel Deahl & Jim Milliot -- Publishers Weekly, 4/12/2009 5:49:00 PM

A groundswell of outrage, concern and confusion sprang up over the weekend, largely via Twitter, in response to what authors and others believed was a decision by Amazon to remove adult titles from its sales ranking. On Sunday evening, however, an Amazon spokesperson said that a glitch had occurred in its sales ranking feature that was in the process of being fixed. The spokesperson added that there was no new adult policy.

For most of the weekend on Twitter, in conversations with the hash tag "#amazonfail," users were discussing the fact that the e-tailer was removing the sales rankings for books that it deemed featured "adult content." Many readers, and writers, decried the fact that Amazon appears to be removing the sales ranking for titles that feature gay and lesbian characters and/or themes.

The director of the Erotic Authors Association, who goes by the pen name Erastes, told PW that many of her members "noticed their titles had been stripped of their sales rankings" on Amazon. One, Mark Probst, contacted a customer service representative at Amazon and wrote about the exchange on his blog. Probst wrote that the Amazon rep responded to his inquiry by saying that "'adult' material" is being excluded from appearing in "some searches and best seller lists" as a "consideration of our entire customer base."

Whether a glitch or new policy, titles like James Baldwin's Giovanni's Room and Annie Proulx's Brokeback Mountain are among the titles who have lost their ranking.

ETA 3:
I shoulda been a better OP and been posting updates as they came in.

This started in February

This is not a Glitch

Bantown theory [I don't buy this theory, but YMMV]

Dear Author does a timeline

Dear Author explains metatagging [This is the theory I buy]

Troll claims responsibility [Which I really don't buy, because a) It's Weev and b) it's been debunked. And c) because it only works if you think the only books targetted are GLTB books, and it wasn't.

Debunking of Troll-code


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[info]breecita
2009-04-13 03:55 pm UTC (link)
Some of Lora Leigh's books were affected actually. The quickest way to tell is to search Lora Leigh from the All Departments search, then search again from the Book search. Books that are de-ranked will not appear in the All Departments search but will appear in the book search.

Anyone who has had all of their books de-ranked does not appear to exist from the front page any more.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2009-04-14 03:19 am UTC (link)
I looked up Tanner's Scheme, one of her breed books, so it might have changed since last night. I found it on All and Books. There was even the Lora Leigh shop and it looked like all of her books were showing up at the time.

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[info]breecita
2009-04-14 03:24 am UTC (link)
A lot of it depends on the publisher. I believe the Breed books might be St. Martins. I know some of her Elora's Cave books weren't showing up on general. (That was really the sneaky badness of it...if you don't know about other books she has, you wouldn't even know they were missing so you never WOULD go looking for them.)

However, a lot of that is slowly changing back. Ranks may not be re-appearing, but the search is starting to work again. At least that's something.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2009-04-14 03:40 am UTC (link)
I think the books are St. Martins, but she has a couple different publishers. You can see it with her early Breed books being on and the current on another. I knew she was on EC cause her website told me so, but a lot of people might not do what I do - which I do with every new author I read. The action won't just kill the authors, but the smaller publishers, too.

That recommend feature that Amazon has? It showed me quite a few, especially anthologies. Anthologies are where I get a lot of my authors. I buy the cheap anthologies in the romance and fantasy genre because a five dollar book is a small price for between four and six authors. That's actually how I found Charlaine Harris, Leigh, Angela Knight, Eileen Wilks..and all are some of my favorite authors.

She showed up in the similar searches on my homepage. I just checked. And the "frequently bought together" section. On the plus side, "Bengal's Heart" showed up for pre-order on my front page, too.

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[info]breecita
2009-04-14 03:55 am UTC (link)
*nods* I do like the anthologies as a measure of what I'm getting into. Of course, I chat with enough romance reviewers that I can usually get custom tailored recs. LOL I'm spoiled like that. Everyone made me go get Nalini Singh's books and I'm chomping my way through them like an all-out crazy person at the moment.

Most of the info I have about #amazonfail has either come from Dear Author/Smart Bitches, twitter or filtering through all the epub author lists, and a lot of my interest in it is admittedly self-interest because I had a book get de-ranked. And it still isn't ranked again. *cries*

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[info]evilsqueakers
2009-04-14 04:38 am UTC (link)
The anthologies are a good gateway into the world. I love, LOVE Angela Knight's Warlord series. I try and beef up my lists because I read a book a day or less. So I need something that'll keep me interested during all the downtimes of my favorites. That way I'm guaranteed some book a month. Of course, it's a pain when they come out in hardback and I have to wait a year. Good for the author, bad for me. I won't pay 25 bucks for a book I'll read so fast. Bad investment.

Dear Author/Smart Bitches usually have the best information because they pretty much get a lot of information from the authors themselves. It makes sense you're interested if affected. I mean, it's important to know you have money coming in.

Want me to go use my frying pan on them?

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[info]breecita
2009-04-14 04:43 am UTC (link)
I've been having a really good book run for the past few weeks. Got a few Samhain titles I enjoyed and I'm loving the Psy-Changeling books. It can be hard for me to try to read books from epubs I write for because I sometimes get an impression of an author that maybe isn't fair through interaction on author lists. LOL But sometimes I love an author and their books (like Linda Winfree, if you ever read romantic suspense, omg buy hers, though the sex is hot but not erotic-romance style explicit) and life is peachy.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2009-04-16 07:30 am UTC (link)
*grins* I don't pro write (for some reason, publishers want more than a 1,000 word story. No idea why) but I can see the validity being wary of your publishers and reading. An instance where your real life and hobby are a little too connected.

Psy-Changeling?

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