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kayla (kayla) wrote in unfunnybusiness,
@ 2009-05-15 14:48:00

Entry tags:

another reason to hate people, jesus wept, oh for god's sake, wtf?

Do you think God headesks when he sees things like this?
Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy

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	the__ivorytower 2009-05-15 07:26 pm UTC (link)
	Originally I was concerned that the judge was being an ass... but no, the judge is a smart man. The kid's parents should be smacked repeatedly with a bad. I don't know, if the person I was going to for faith healing went to jail on fraud charges because of that faith healing, I would not continue to trust him with the safety of my children. I'm just saying. (Reply to this)

If there is one, then I'd say the answer is definitely 'yes'

persona
2009-05-15 07:32 pm UTC (link)

"I feel it's a blow to families," he [the Hauser's attorney] said. "It marginalizes the decisions that parents face every day in regard to their children's medical care. It really affirms the role that big government is better at making our decisions for us."

I want to know how he managed to say this with a straight face. Obviously, this isn't just a matter of deciding to choose one form of treatment over another.

I feel so sorry for that boy.

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Re: If there is one, then I'd say the answer is definitely 'yes'

zyna_kat
2009-05-15 07:59 pm UTC (link)

Obviously, this isn't just a matter of deciding to choose one form of treatment over another.

Or stopping treatment because it's causing unbelievable suffering. My niece-in-law's parents finally stopped the chemo on her brain cancer. She was six years old and had underwent chemo treatments for two of those years. At that point, the odds were that she was going to die with or without the treatment, so her parents decided to stop the chemo. Instead they took her on vacation and treated her like a true princess during the time she had left. Why make her suffer during her last months alive?

In cases like my niece's, I hope they do let parents decide to stop treatment. In this boy's case, though, the judge made the right decision.

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persona, 2009-05-15 08:30 pm UTC

Re: If there is one, then I'd say the answer is definitely 'yes' -

finchbird, 2009-05-15 10:33 pm UTC

Re: If there is one, then I'd say the answer is definitely 'yes' -

issendai, 2009-05-15 11:38 pm UTC

Re: If there is one, then I'd say the answer is definitely 'yes' -

jujubee, 2009-05-16 02:02 am UTC

Re: If there is one, then I'd say the answer is definitely 'yes' - tree, 2009-05-17 02:21 pm UTC

Re: If there is one, then I'd say the answer is definitely 'yes' -

lady_ganesh, 2009-05-18 03:18 pm UTC

sandglass
2009-05-15 07:56 pm UTC (link)

Doctors have said Daniel's cancer had up to a 90 percent chance of being cured with chemotherapy and radiation. Without those treatments, doctors said his chances of survival are 5 percent.
. . .
"It marginalizes the decisions that parents face every day in regard to their children's medical care. It really affirms the role that big government is better at making our decisions for us."

WELL APPARENTLY IT IS YOU ASSHAT.

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	sandglass 2009-05-15 07:58 pm UTC (link)
	Also I just realized he also fails for misusing the word "role". Stupid asshat. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

deadwood, 2009-05-15 08:12 pm UTC

	deadwood 2009-05-15 08:10 pm UTC (link)
	Oh man, what is WITH people. I do not understand this kind of shit. I really don't. What kind of deity is against life saving treatments proven to work? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	sistercoyote 2009-05-15 09:29 pm UTC (link)
	The kind that wants you to put everything in Its hands in order to Prove Your Devotion because nothing says "I love you, God" more than letting your child die a painful, unnecessary, death. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

shinga, 2009-05-15 09:41 pm UTC

sistercoyote, 2009-05-15 09:54 pm UTC

issendai, 2009-05-15 11:56 pm UTC

kosaginolegion, 2009-05-16 01:04 pm UTC

yoritomo_reiko, 2009-05-16 01:30 pm UTC

kosaginolegion, 2009-05-16 01:44 pm UTC

kita0610, 2009-05-17 09:57 am UTC

kosaginolegion, 2009-05-17 01:20 pm UTC

adevyish, 2009-05-17 05:45 am UTC

vzg, 2009-05-17 06:51 am UTC

dana, 2009-05-17 04:16 am UTC

vzg, 2009-05-17 06:53 am UTC

(no subject) - tree, 2009-05-17 02:26 pm UTC

issendai, 2009-05-17 03:52 pm UTC

dana, 2009-05-18 03:06 am UTC

(no subject) - tree, 2009-05-18 10:39 am UTC

issendai, 2009-05-18 01:59 pm UTC

funwithrage, 2009-05-18 01:58 pm UTC

issendai, 2009-05-18 02:02 pm UTC

seraangelus, 2009-05-18 10:30 pm UTC

	shadwing 2009-05-15 09:37 pm UTC (link)
	There are some sects that honestly don't believe in any type of modern medicine all natrual no extra ordinary efforts ect, however the difference between them and this lovely set of parents is that they never would have STARTED the chemo in the first place. These morons did, hence any protection of 'religious reasons' is null and void. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sistercoyote, 2009-05-15 09:55 pm UTC

rimrunner, 2009-05-15 11:17 pm UTC

dana, 2009-05-17 07:06 am UTC

dana, 2009-05-17 07:07 am UTC

innocentsmith
2009-05-19 04:46 pm UTC (link)

Based on two minutes of googling: the kind proposed by a conman who decided to get money and attention by fusing quasi-Native American traditions with LDS assumptions about life, the universe, and everything, and then preying on scared and desperate people.

If you can believe that you're standing together as a family and heroically doing the right thing for your child despite government persecution & etc., it probably is a great distraction from the basic fact of, oh god, our child has cancer.

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	vitalitat 2009-05-15 10:45 pm UTC (link)
	To answer your question: YES. (Reply to this)

issendai
2009-05-15 11:52 pm UTC (link)

[Colleen Hauser] also testified that Daniel is a medicine man and elder in the Nemenhah Band.

...Wha...? This group, which is liek totally based on Native Americans 'n' stuff, has made a 13-year-old boy a full-fledged medicine man and elder? Who is he elder to, exactly? How long can he possibly have trained to be a medicine man?

And if they're willing to pull this dumbfuckery, would it help to have a real Native American healer come and try to slap them out of it? "Why yes, we do believe in prayer and sweat lodges. We find they're very helpful with the aftereffects of chemo, another tradition which is the way of our people. You morons."

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	tachikoma01 2009-05-16 12:39 am UTC (link)
	I've been following this, and apparently in their religion 'medicine man' is anyone (or at least any male, I forget) over a certain age, to indicate their passage into adult hood. Which doesn't help their case of saying that because he's a medicine man he totes can make his own decisions AT ALL. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

issendai, 2009-05-16 01:47 pm UTC

somnambulicious
2009-05-16 04:33 pm UTC (link)

And if they're willing to pull this dumbfuckery, would it help to have a real Native American healer come and try to slap them out of it? "Why yes, we do believe in prayer and sweat lodges. We find they're very helpful with the aftereffects of chemo, another tradition which is the way of our people. You morons."

Someone is trying to do just that, but I'm not optimistic about the chances that his parents will listen. If they actually believed this plastic shaman in the first place, I don't have a whole lot of confidence in their ability to parse reason and logic.

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	atreyu 2009-05-16 03:13 am UTC (link)
	Augh this whole issue reminds me that my roommate doesn't believe in in chemo treatments because it's all run by "corrupt doctors looking for money, not to help people." And she told me this after I told her chemo gave my aunt five more years to spend with her young daughter before her relapse. I can't stand people who do this shit. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	tachikoma01 2009-05-16 04:17 pm UTC (link)
	Sometimes I think there's a conspiracy started by some group whose idea of the way to lower health care costs... is to convince as many gullible people as possible not to seek any kind of health care because 'it's all about money-grubbing fake doctors.' (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

atreyu, 2009-05-16 04:52 pm UTC

issendai
2009-05-17 04:36 pm UTC (link)

ARRGH. How does she think people with cancer got better before chemo and radiation? Is the medical establishment hiding ~*~magical healing herbs~*~ that mysteriously got wiped out of textbooks, diaries, and account after account of people dealing with cancer in the pre-chemo era?

What drives me especially mad is that claims like this make legitimate claims of moneygrubbing look crazy. There are legitimate claims of corruption in the drug and testing industry, and plenty of cases in which doctors recommended a less effective treatment because they got kickbacks. It's a very real problem, but people stop believing because they lump stories of drug industry corruption together with stories of how chemo, abortion, and AIDS treatments are rackets.

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atreyu, 2009-05-17 05:13 pm UTC

amadi
2009-05-16 06:02 am UTC (link)

You know, in a lot of these cases I'm torn because I really, really dislike a court dictating medical treatment to anyone, regardless of age. But then I read that this boy, this lovely young boy, cannot read because of learning disabilities and the idea that he is being horribly taken advantage of just will not stop sitting right in the front of my brain.

I just hope he gets better and very quickly realizes that his parents are kooks and gets away from them at the earliest possible moment.

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	bienegold 2009-05-16 07:22 am UTC (link)
	Definitely. While I feel that there are some children who are (might be) able to make their own decisions, how on earth can this boy possibly be able to make an informed decision? (Reply to this)(Parent)

tachikoma01
2009-05-16 04:22 pm UTC (link)

It does wander into the uncomfortable territory of allowing vs not allowing people to make their own decisions about end-of-life care. Like forcing a ninety year old man into chemo treatments that are likely to kill him faster and more painfully than the cancer would. Or forcing kids on medications that are having painful side-effects or dubious results by court order. Or even forcing a young person to continue radiation/chemo when they've been trying it and it hasn't been working and it's only causing pain.

But when you look at the facts for this kid- 95% chance of life versus 95% chance of death- then yeah, I'm with the courts on this one.

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issendai, 2009-05-17 04:03 pm UTC

	atreyu 2009-05-16 04:55 pm UTC (link)
	What gets me is that the poor kid thought he was healthy because his parents were so deluded. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

amadi, 2009-05-16 06:45 pm UTC

vzg
2009-05-17 07:10 am UTC (link)

There's the other side to it, too. Sure, I get a little nervous thinking about people getting the right to decide for themselves taken away from them, but I also remember feeling very uncomfortable when I watched a documentary about a little girl who wanted to get cochlear implants; by the end of the time the documentary covered, she'd "decided" not to, but it seemed pretty clear that it was only because her parents and extended family thought badly of it. That doesn't seem right either, and all she lost was a chance to hear. I think this is like that, but with higher stakes (and obviously his inability to read and properly understand the effects of his illness are part of it, too).

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snarkhunter, 2009-05-17 04:19 pm UTC

vzg, 2009-05-18 12:36 am UTC

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	pocketfox 2009-05-17 07:25 pm UTC (link)
	So who else predicts that this case will turn into this? And then the parents will say, oh, it was just God's will that their son die almost before hitting puberty. (Reply to this)(Thread)

tachikoma01, 2009-05-17 08:39 pm UTC

	pocketfox 2009-05-17 07:25 pm UTC (link)
	So who else predicts that this case will turn into this? And then the parents will say, oh, it was just God's will that their son die almost before hitting puberty. (Reply to this)

	lady_ganesh 2009-05-18 03:21 pm UTC (link)
	Colleen Hauser told the New Ulm Journal newspaper that the family's Catholicism and adherence to the Nemenhah Band are not in conflict I bet the Catholic Church might disagree, lady. (Reply to this)

	atreyu 2009-05-19 07:55 pm UTC (link)
	http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30824587/ Oh my God, what the hell is his mother thinking?! (Reply to this)(Thread)

kayla, 2009-05-20 02:27 am UTC

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