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	harrylovesron 2009-05-26 06:04 pm UTC (link)
	I'd really, really like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not. --; (Reply to this)

	onyxnoir 2009-05-26 06:05 pm UTC (link)
	I'm so not happy with my state right now. >:( (Reply to this)

	cat_mcdougall 2009-05-26 06:28 pm UTC (link)
	Seriously California? I mean seriously? There are many places I expect religious whackery out of... YOU ARE NOT IT. STOP IT. I remember when California was cool. :( (Reply to this)

ariadne484
2009-05-26 06:31 pm UTC (link)

At least there's Justice Moreno:

"In my view, the aim of Proposition 8 and all similar initiative measures that seek to alter the California Constitution to deny a fundamental right to a group that has historically been subject to discrimination on the basis of a suspect classification, violates the essence of the equal protection clause of the California Constitution and fundamentally alters its scope and meaning."

(If I find the full dissent I'll post a link.)

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	finchbird 2009-05-26 10:58 pm UTC (link)
	This article has more of Justice Moreno's dissent. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	darsynia 2009-05-26 11:57 pm UTC (link)
	I agree--but what worries me is my husband's assertion that because of the equal protection clause, it's very likely that the unions that weren't declared null and void today might be later on. :C (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	persona 2009-05-26 07:10 pm UTC (link)
	Not surprised either. Not any less disgusted, though. (Reply to this)

	negativecosine 2009-05-26 07:23 pm UTC (link)
	I was in class when they released the decision so I had a friend text me with the outcome, and then had to sit through two hours of Latin quietly fuming and yearning for my megaphone and angry-protesty-boots. Am donning both now; this fight is NOT over, goddammit. (Reply to this)

	deadwood 2009-05-26 07:47 pm UTC (link)
	Ohhh... I am quite angry right now. WTF California. I did not expect this of you in the first place, and I thought it would be overturned when it got to this level. Stupid optimism. (Reply to this)

	rewind 2009-05-26 08:11 pm UTC (link)
	:\ I am not happy with my state right now. (Reply to this)

	demonoflight 2009-05-26 08:22 pm UTC (link)
	As if I wasn't cranky enough already because of my sprained ankle. Fuck California. (Reply to this)

	thoms 2009-05-26 08:51 pm UTC (link)
	Fuck. (Reply to this)

	sneer 2009-05-26 09:13 pm UTC (link)
	At least they didn't retroactively annul? Which these huge fucking crybabies are complaining about. (warning: link may cause FFFFFFFFFFUUUUU) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	blue_penguin 2009-05-26 09:43 pm UTC (link)
	why did I click that link (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	come_love_sleep 2009-05-26 09:48 pm UTC (link)
	bridles Oh, wow. Counterfeit? What do you get with a counterfeit marriage? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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snarkhunter
2009-05-26 10:32 pm UTC (link)

At this point, I'm holding out hope for a HUGE voting push for next year's ballot. I say fix this situation in the "right" way--get Prop 8 removed in the same way it was installed.

Prop 8 won by 52% of the vote. I think as people see the New England states and Iowa thriving with gay marriage, some of those on the fence will back off.

I don't agree with what the court's done, but I also think that their hands were somewhat tied by the way the California Constitution is written. For what it's worth, if gay marriage were being enshrined in the constitution as legal through a simply majority vote, we'd want that upheld by the court, and I think they'd uphold it, b/c they're stuck with a narrow legal argument here.

Doesn't mean I agree. I absolutely don't. But it's not over. And thank GOD they didn't apply it retroactively (which, wouldn't that be against the US Constitution, anyway? No ex post facto laws?).

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	jkefka 2009-05-26 10:38 pm UTC (link)
	sigh Come to New England! They have to import fundies when they want to pull this shit. Seriously, when New Hampshire is doing better than CA, something has gone horribly awry. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	finchbird 2009-05-26 11:06 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sad but not really shocked that the Supreme Court upheld the ban. But like snarkhunter said, this isn't over. Far from it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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piasharn
2009-05-26 11:55 pm UTC (link)

We'll get it overturned eventually. Still, I'm very disappointed in my state right now. In 1948, we were the first state to legalize interracial marriages, and I was rather hoping that we would continue in that noble tradition.

As tempting as it is to move to the east coast, I'd rather stay here and fight the good fight. I'm not going to let the fundies have my state.

On the plus side, this article estimates that same-sex marriage will be legal in all 50 states within 15 years.

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	re_weird 2009-05-27 12:07 am UTC (link)
	I'm disappointed but not necessarily surprised. I'm very happy the queer community at my school is doing so much ins response to it and that it'll inspire a lot of signatures to put a measure on the ballot to overturn Prop 8 at least. (Reply to this)

	redwarrior 2009-05-27 01:36 am UTC (link)
	Man, when Maine and Iowa are doing better than California in the gay-rights department, you know the world is fucked up. (Reply to this)

	aaron_agonistes 2009-05-27 05:49 am UTC (link)
	Okay, they want the title of marriage to be sacred and holy (just like in Deut 22:28-9)? Fine with me - let's make religious unions "marriages", and call that form that everybody has to sign down at the county clerk's office something else. Joining. Union. Hell, call it Fred, so long as everyone gets the same treatment. (Reply to this)

tardis
2009-05-27 05:49 am UTC (link)

I know this sucks, but complaining online is about as effective as well complaining on the internets. There will be a ballot referendum to repeal Prop 8 in 2010 and people need to start organizing now.

The Courage Campaign is raising money to broadcast ads in favor of gay marriage. http://www.couragecampaign.org/

Equality California wants to set up campaign offices in areas that voted yes on 8 for a new election in 2010. http://www.eqca.org/

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gardnerhill
2009-05-27 07:27 am UTC (link)

...So it took a 2/3 vote to end California's fucking budget standoff, but only a simple majority of Jesus-blowing braindeads to rewrite the California Constitution to specifically exclude and discriminate against people.

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And yet. I think Prop 8 will historically turn out to be a massive Pyrrhic victory for the haters and KKKhristians (like there's a difference).

Look at the states that galvanized their own marriage equality laws after Prop 8 won -- fuckin' IOWA saw what CA did and how wrong it was, and the Lege overruled the governor's veto to legalize it. Took how many years for two states to legalize gay marriage? Took a week for the next two to do so.

The dominoes fall. The haters are old and very soon will be outnumbered.

(glares at Mormon church, grumbles, drops the dirt clods and walks away)

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minibalrogmum
2009-05-27 04:01 pm UTC (link)

Wow, that sucks.

But speaking from the experience in Norway - we got same-sex unions about 15 years ago and a lot of people were a bit uncomfortable about it at the time. Time passed, and our country didn't collapse, got eaten by locus or struck down by lightning. Nothing much changed. People got used to having it. New generation grew up with it as a fact. The precentage of people in support of it grew slowly and steadily. This year we got gender neutral marriage and that was backed by a majority.

Those who screamingly and hysterically against it, those you'll always have. But I'm pretty sure a lot of people will change their mind.

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