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	pocketfox 2008-05-12 06:50 pm UTC (link)
	I am sorry for people who suffer from these conditions, but they don't give a damn about inflicting it on a child I tried to think of a mildly witty response to this and I just can't. Permission to rip this twatwaffle's liver out and feed it to him. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	ari_o 2008-05-12 06:53 pm UTC (link)
	The only really great response was you go first! (Reply to this)(Parent)

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	fantine 2008-05-12 06:51 pm UTC (link)
	D: I'm not bipolar, but I have a mood disorder that's most likely genetic and ... well, parts of my life have been crap but I'd rather have that than, you know, not having been born at all. e (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	soupspooks 2008-05-12 06:54 pm UTC (link)
	Nnnnngh. (Reply to this)

	scifantasy 2008-05-12 07:03 pm UTC (link)
	Does he have this idea that mental hospitals are all closed? Wait, I know--that's how he got back out on the streets. His closed up and let him out. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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ealusaid
2008-05-12 07:10 pm UTC (link)

This is one of those topics that upsets me so much I wrote myself a canned rant, and now I can just go back, reread it, say, "Yeah, that." and move on with my day.

Anyway, while we're at it, I say we sterilize everyone who carries one or more X chromosone. Surely the horrifying mortality rate for it has not eluded modern science! And do you know what their quality of life can be like?

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	tehrin 2008-05-12 07:22 pm UTC (link)
	Speaking as a bipolar person, liinkasi can go fuck him/herself. That's all I have to say. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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ayezur
2008-05-12 07:37 pm UTC (link)

What?

It's not even life bipolar disorder dramatically reduces quality of life.*

*Note for the sensitive: I'm not saying it doesn't impact quality of life, because that would be a stupid thing to say, but IIRC it's not like you're, iunno, a paranoid schizophrenic MS patient or something. No offense to paranoid schizophrenic MS patients. Aw hell, y'all can guess what I mean, right? Right?

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fantine
2008-05-12 07:52 pm UTC (link)

Since I have nothing better to do than quote twatwaffles, I must say I love his defense when someone says that they hope LJ will deal with his comments as hate speech:

So, does that mean if any speech offends anyone it should be banned? In that way, no one would say something about anything.
Reminds me of something someone said about 250 years ago..
"I disagree vehemently with what you said and I will defend to the death your right to say it."
There is a difference between making a direct threat and an extreme opinion.
Some folk even think statistics are hate speech because it upsets some apple cart.

No, Einstein, it's hate speech because you promote violence against a certain group of people. Who put stupid in the water supply again?

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	bemysty 2008-05-12 07:53 pm UTC (link)
	/o\ (Reply to this)

aristaea
2008-05-12 08:58 pm UTC (link)

The way he says "genetics" makes me think he's confusing it with "evolution", and that makes me a sad Darwin's finch. ):

As a bipolar patient with a family history of depression, I am undecided on having biological children. I've been suicidally depressed, and I don't want my children to have to go through that, so I would definitely never have children with anyone who had a history of mood disorders -- but I think there are some benefits to bipolar disorder that sort of make up for the crappy parts. And even though I've gone through periods of ruining my life with my insane behavior, I like parts of my life, too.

From an evolutionary perspective, it's unclear whether mood disorders may be related to positive behaviors such as risk-taking, increased creativity, and certain aspects of intelligence. I read a book once that forwarded the idea that the U.S. had an increased incidence of bipolar because bipolar patients are more impulsive, thus people with manic tendencies were more likely to immigrate to America. So until we understand the genetics and physiology of affective disorders, we can't say that they're undesirable in the population. The benefits might outweigh the costs.

And I actually support eugenics, as in, being selective about who you reproduce with based on genetic factors that will affect the child's quality of life, but forced breeding programs are all kinds of wrong.

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luthe
2008-05-12 09:23 pm UTC (link)

Well, I am in favor of opening more mental health facilities as a way to break the 'lather, rinse, repeat' cycle that occurs when people go off their meds, wind up in the hospital for 72 hours, and are released again, but there's a difference between clinics designed to help people stay on their meds and integrate with society and the mental hospitals of yesteryear.

As for sterilization, can we sterilize out stupid? Because this guy seems to be a prime target for it. I hope he wins a Darwin Award.

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	chibikaijuu 2008-05-12 09:24 pm UTC (link)
	Because people with depressive disorders are incapable of making rational decisions? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that my mental faculties were on par with an unmedicated severe schizophrenic. (Reply to this)

	hallidae 2008-05-12 09:44 pm UTC (link)
	I think I love this guy a little bit. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	/tangent lab 2008-05-12 10:26 pm UTC (link)
	After a day of reading Galton I come online to see this. Humanity, don't fail so much, pls. D: (Reply to this)

	deliciouschaos 2008-05-12 10:40 pm UTC (link)
	Internet, you are yet again failing to distract me from finals week. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	iwanttobeasleep 2008-05-12 11:25 pm UTC (link)
	Why can't we just work on removing the adoption stigma? I'd like to live in a world where those of us with genetic illnesses can adopt without everyone assuming it's because our 'nads don't work, and for people with working 'nads to consider adoption regardless of their genetic health. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	photosinensis 2008-05-12 11:27 pm UTC (link)
	First to be sterilized? lininkasi. (Reply to this)

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mcity
2008-05-13 02:15 am UTC (link)

I'll admit, watching people verbally ream him was hilarious.

This is hate speech, and I hope LJ will deal with it as such.
So, does that mean if any speech offends anyone it should be banned? In that way, no one would say something about anything.

With such reading comprehnsion, it no wonder everyone's flocking to support him in droves.

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	inappropriate 2008-05-13 06:58 am UTC (link)
	I have a better idea! Why don't we sterilize people who say really stupid things on the internet? I know who the first candidate will beeeee~~ ♥ (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	risha 2008-05-13 01:50 pm UTC (link)
	Completely aside from the well-established idiocy in thinking that mental illness = miserable life, the medications are also getting better all the time. Five years ago I would have had to stop taking any mood stablizers if I wanted to have a child; now I can stay on the Lamictal. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	judyhazeleyes 2008-05-13 11:09 pm UTC (link)
	Now, I don't wanna start up a wank here or anything, but it causes me some mild butthurt when people with some form of mental or emotional instability use schizophrenia as default for Really Crazy. Like "God, I don't need to be locked up, i'm not SCHIZO or anything!" Hi! Schizophrenic and not ax-crazy. really. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	sisterelwood 2008-05-14 04:17 am UTC (link)
	Umm... Just because someone has a an illness doesn't mean it's going to get passed onto the kids. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	red_eft 2008-05-15 02:30 am UTC (link)
	This guy makes me want to have children just to spite him. (Reply to this)

frequentmouse
2008-05-18 09:31 pm UTC (link)

Everyone has several stretches of DNA code which reinforced by a matching bit from a mate or "turned on" by developmental conditions will have some effect which reduces quality of life.

I'd sure as hell be more prone to lean on people who don't have their offspring treated for psychological, neurological, educational, mental or physical disorders of all origins than to try to single out a few mental disorders with known genetic components for social stigma.

But that's just me.

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