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	staroverthebay 2009-06-07 06:13 am UTC (link)
	What is with this "I'M A VICTIM THIS IS NOT FUCKING FAIR TANTRUM" trend? GOD this makes me so fucking mad. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lady_ganesh 2009-06-07 01:41 pm UTC (link)
	It's because they think gay people, women, blacks, etc. got rights by 'playing the victim card.' If they can only make themselves attractive enough victims, people will believe them too! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kalakagatha 2009-06-08 01:52 am UTC (link)
	They're losing, and it's making them flail, hard. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	erototoxin 2009-06-07 06:42 am UTC (link)
	OK, so all their arguments against gay marriage are "if gays could marry, then straights could divorce!" Hello, we already can and do. Big whoop. Also - I constantly hear people saying they don't want gays to marry. What DO they want them to do? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	agent_hyatt 2009-06-07 07:42 am UTC (link)
	What DO they want them to do? Not exist, not be gay, or if they must be both, then pretend otherwise. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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dez_chan, 2009-06-07 04:44 pm UTC

caito
2009-06-08 02:20 am UTC (link)

Also, I don't think divorce is the worst thing in the world, either. I would certainly prefer to get married and stay married, but if something about the relationship doesn't turn out the way I wanted*, I would like to know I can get out if I have to.

*I mean something like, "My husband turned into an abusive alcoholic," rather than, "My husband went bald and got a beer gut." One should cope with some things, but there are other things that one should never have to put up with.

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	bobafeis 2009-06-07 08:11 am UTC (link)
	Is it my imagination, or are 2, 3 and 8 all pretty much saying the same thing? And isn't the thing they're saying (that OMG if gay people can marry, then they'll also be able to divorce!) pretty much also true for straight people as well? The stupid confuses me. D: (Reply to this)

deadwood
2009-06-07 09:10 am UTC (link)

Okay, PrincessKatrina is kinda awesome and Cassandra is driving me nuts. She is going in circles! At least the other guy (David or whatever) is pulling in sources and backing himself up. Cassandra just keeps spewing the same "OMG THINK OF THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN" and "MARRIAGES = BUSINESS CONTRACTS!" thing.

Also, the "10 things to think about" list is made of so much fail that if I were sitting at a desk and not on my bed, my forehead would be bloody.

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	chikane 2009-06-07 02:06 pm UTC (link)
	Cassandra's "LOL! Gay marriage does not make straight marriage better, therefore it's bad and should never be allowed!" logic is just so precious, it totally convinced me. By the way, allowing Cassandra to use the inernet is also not making straight marriage better. Therefore, we should forbid her from using the internet. This kind of 'logic' is fun! (Reply to this)

	rosalita 2009-06-07 02:40 pm UTC (link)
	LOL at Cassandra and her idea that the childless are getting a free ride at the expense of parents. Hahahahahaha! When does my free ride start? (Reply to this)(Thread)

etcetera_cat
2009-06-07 02:53 pm UTC (link)

I know, right? I mean: I'm single and childless, my taxes partly fund working tax credits for parents of young children, and I am exempt from pretty much every benefit under the sun because I earn (barely) enough and am, well, single and childless.

If this is a free ride, I want on a different bus.

(not that I oppose tax credits because, hey: they are actually a kind of benefit that makes sense, and I did get a type of them when my annual wage looked at the national minimum, laughed, and aimed firmly below it)

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	julesnoctambule 2009-06-07 04:36 pm UTC (link)
	So I take it they're saying my heterosexual marriage is also useless, hollow and threatening because my husband and I aren't having biobabies? Fuck these people. The only way same-sex marriage could even remotely be a 'threat' to my existing relationship is if Kate Winslet showed up on my doorstep to propose, and that's not going to happen. alas. (Reply to this)

	tree 2009-06-07 04:44 pm UTC (link)
	I can't even understand the first one. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	chikane 2009-06-07 04:53 pm UTC (link)
	I actually thought it was pro gay marriage until I read the sentence again - it confused me. It made more sense the way I first read it :S (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	bigbigtruck 2009-06-07 05:14 pm UTC (link)
	Marriage was pretty cool until it started going all big-time to where everybody could get in. Now it's like, totally sold out. If I keep wearing my wedding ring everybody's gonna think I'm ~~not better than they are~~ a total poser. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	redwarrior 2009-06-07 07:48 pm UTC (link)
	WIN. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	brennalarose 2009-06-07 07:22 pm UTC (link)
	reads the list Okay, so... Tell me again, how does letting people who love each other and don't happen to follow YOUR rules and morals threaten my heterosexual marriage? Just, y'know, curious what planet this logic comes from. (Reply to this)

	rimrunner 2009-06-07 09:26 pm UTC (link)
	<singsong> Someone's in the closet...someone's in the closet... </singsong> (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lady_jafaria 2009-06-09 04:59 am UTC (link)
	In it? They've practically reached Narnia! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bluebrocade 2009-06-08 02:59 am UTC (link)
	I kind of wish I hadn't read that. I am absolutely filled with rage now. (Reply to this)

	tangentialone 2009-06-08 06:38 am UTC (link)
	Same sex marriage law marginalizes and stigmatizes religious groups Oh those poor, oppressed Christian organizations. It's just so hard being a religious majority and yet still not having your every whim enshrined in law! So awful. :( World's tiniest violin, just for the churches. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	redwarrior 2009-06-08 09:56 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, but you have to go by their definition of "Christian" for it to be a minority: PEOPLE WHO BELONG TO MY CHURCH. EVERYONE ELSE WILL BUUUURN! (Reply to this)(Parent)

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agent_hyatt, 2009-06-09 06:42 am UTC

mry
2009-06-08 07:21 pm UTC (link)

Yes, nonreproducers get a free lunch.
We do? WHERE? ME WANT. Seriously, man, people with children in my country get child care (even when they don't need it, like my parents didn't). Where do you think these money come from? The blue sky? No, they get it from tax payers - tax payers like you and me. Not only that, I also pay taxes to alot of things that I don't use, such as play grounds, kindergarden, schools (except the university; I'm a uni-student), doctors to children (we have universal health care), dentist to children (it's free for children), and a lot of other things. Which a-okay to me. That's how taxes work.

My parents planning to get a divorce was probably the most sane thing they had done in many, many years. They are actually still together because they realised they couldn't live the way the lived anymore, and they only realised that because my dad wanted a divorce.
Not that I can't see how it's relevant to this discussions. No, your husband is not secretly gay, who really wanted to get married, so he accepted having to marry a woman because of the law.

Bizare.

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abharding, 2009-06-09 08:39 pm UTC

dr_tectonic
2009-06-08 07:37 pm UTC (link)

Haven't read the link, because I need to use my desk (and my brain) this afternoon, but for everybody in the "PLEASE TO EXPLAIN" boat, I found an essay that vastly decreased my levels of WTF about opposition to same-sex marriage. I mean, its opponents are still wrong, but now I can comprehend a frame of reference from which (some of) the arguments against it at least vaguely approximate earth logic, rather than being pure non-sequitur:

Red Family, Blue Family

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dr_tectonic, 2009-06-08 07:42 pm UTC

	chaos_priestess 2009-06-10 04:24 am UTC (link)
	Well. I knew I would need to use this icon soon. I had just wished it wasn't combined with the twitchy need to slap the stupid out of someone's mouth. (Reply to this)

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