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Miss Murchison ([info]missm) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2008-05-18 12:58:00


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When does the unfunny become funny?
This may be precisely the wrong place or precisely the right one to post this. I'm not sure, but here goes. (I also crossposted it to my personal LJ.)

It's easy to recall moments when something that was funny suddenly becomes serious, and even appalling. For instance, a comedian takes a joke so far it's merely offensive, or a practical joke goes horribly wrong. But when does something unfunny reach such levels of absurdity that, in spite of the serious subject matter, you can't help laughing?

Yesterday, I was telling a friend in the UK that our election cycle has thrown up an amazing collection of what she calls "nutters." Then, this morning, one of my daughters and I were sharing an enjoyable rant about how much we hated various political figures and pundits. But suddenly we were giggling because one of the statements we were discussing was so ridiculous there was no other reaction possible. Some Paladin of Serious Business had turned into Basil Fawlty before our incredulous eyes.

This is, of course, a survival response, because otherwise my blood pressure would rise to untenable levels. And not everyone will find these things funny. But I can't help it.

Example #1 - Big, Angry Bears shouldn't be protected:

There is nothing funny about Glenn Beck's racist, misogynistic, anti-environmentalist opinions. But his apparent terror of being eaten by a polar bear? And the fact that his guest, a US Senator, doesn't contract his misconceptions about the bears' eating habits?

They eat people! For the love of Pete, they’re big, angry bears. They eat people. Not that I say we go out and kill all of them, but I mean, it doesn’t seem to be a problem here. Senator, I can’t take the — I can’t take the lies anymore.


Example #2 - Racism is logical and scientific:

Then there's Michael Medved, whose credentials as a movie critic and talk show host have gotten him a position as a fellow at the Discovery Institute. Most of what he says just makes me want to punch him, but how to react to his recent foray into Sociobiology? In spite of the fact that he doesn't believe in evolution (although apparently he does believe in Big Foot), he has recently decided that there is a special American DNA that makes us superior. Well, some of us. It seems 98 percent of blacks don't have it. He's serious. But after an appalled moment, I started laughing. For one thing, it reminded me of John Crichton's "Humans are Superior" moment from Farscape.

There's plenty of unfunny and a bit of funny wank in the comments to Michael's entry.

Example #3 - I don't know what appeasement is, but I know I hate it:

The recent "appeasement" controversy? Not funny. A talk show host so stupid that he gets pwned by Chris Matthews? I mean, really, Chris Matthews? Hilarious. There are no comments on this entry but I think the video stands on its own. Especially when the idiot ignores the "when you're in a hole, stop digging" advice.

This must happen to most of us or TDS and The Colbert Report wouldn't exist. So, what are the essential ingredients to making the unfunny funny? Is it merely backing an argument that the average fifth grader could see though? Is it when that crucial blood pressure level is reached and your body goes into self-preservation mode?


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[info]hallidae
2008-05-18 06:35 pm UTC (link)
Y'know, the one thing I ever remember about polar bear attacks in the news is that they inevitably involve humans tromping into their territory either to shoot things or poke them with sticks, whether it's in the wild or a zoo. If I was a big ol' bear trying to hunt or nap, and this little meat thing was taking my food or annoying me, I'd probably chew on it too.

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[info]missm
2008-05-18 07:02 pm UTC (link)
I was compelled to look up Beck's location. It appears he lives in Philly, so now I have an image of a polar bear stalking him as he innocently shops for a cheesesteak.

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True Story* - [info]rikiki, 2008-05-19 11:12 pm UTC
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[info]lab
2008-05-18 06:48 pm UTC (link)
This is probably the unfunniest shit I've read all weekend.

And then I started reading the "White part of the USA has superior genes" diatriabe and couldn't help but laugh. It's such a negligent, twisted, arrogant and selective reading of history and it's funny/bizarre in the apparentness of it. I mean, he doesn't even bother to hide it. The he's backed up by actual scientists who, you know, do research like that for a living, get money and publicity for it is another, much scarier aspect.

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[info]missm
2008-05-18 06:59 pm UTC (link)
This is probably the unfunniest shit I've read all weekend.

That's why I thought this was the only reasonably safe place to post this.

The Discovery Institute is backed up by wackos who can't get into peer reviewed journals so they created their own place to rant, but that only makes it scarier that people listen to them.

couldn't help but laugh

I think it's partially a defense mechanism and partially a hope that if enough people laugh loudly enough no one will believe anything he says.

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(no subject) - [info]lab, 2008-05-18 07:11 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ianthefira, 2008-05-19 10:23 am UTC

[info]coffee_mug
2008-05-18 07:24 pm UTC (link)
I am always amused at people's "OMGZ BEARS R DANGEROUS!" because when I think of bears, I think of big things in the woods whose diet is mainly composed of berries and small game, and who retire to bed every winter. I wouldn't go hug one, but they're probably more afraid of humans with guns than we are (or should be) of them.

The DNA thing made me see red.

Sometimes I am ready to burst into little pieces from the rage and annoyment that so much of the world is selfish, ignorant or both. Especially xenophobia (along with racism) and the general disregard of global conditions.. I just cannot deal. Last week I read somebody actually mentioning the money that goes to Myanmar and Sichuan relief and in the same sentence wondering about oil prices (in a manner that made it clear that he cared more about oil prices).

You see people say "I get my news from TDS/TCR" or similar parody thingies, and of course that is also a form of ignorance, but I guess the splash of humor helps when delivering some of the most wtf-y news, like the Bush golf thing.

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[info]hallidae
2008-05-18 07:54 pm UTC (link)
like the Bush golf thing.

Oh, God, did you see Keith Olbermann on that? That was an especially rageful rant.

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[info]iwanttobeasleep
2008-05-18 09:46 pm UTC (link)
I can't force myself to read or watch the real new, so I figure watching TDS and TCR are better than nothing. Of course, I don't delude myself into thinking I'm informed because of it. . .

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2008-05-19 12:52 am UTC

[info]stella_polaris
2008-05-18 10:03 pm UTC (link)
You see people say "I get my news from TDS/TCR" or similar parody thingies, and of course that is also a form of ignorance

I agree with that when it concerns US natives, but as a European, who'se main news concern is Finland and therefore watches Finnish news and reads Finnish papers to get a clue of the domestic politics, I get most of my political news that concern the States through TDS (and occasionally through the net, and lately through ONTD_Political). And after I started watching it a couple of years ago, my awareness of US politics has actually gotten better, as scary as it sounds. Because it gives a pretty good *general* idea what's going on. It scratches the surface, which is good enough if you need to know the general gist, but if it's your own country, I'd kinda hope you had a slightly... deeper news sourse than TDS.


Besides, I'm not sure I like the idea of some Finn saying their primary news source is our version of The Hat Trick.

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(no subject) - [info]coffee_mug, 2008-05-19 10:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]stella_polaris, 2008-05-19 03:43 pm UTC
There are bears and bears
[info]missm
2008-05-18 10:43 pm UTC (link)
Grizzlies = bad, scary

Polar Bears = Do Not Approach. Fortunately, that's not usually a problem when you live in the lower 48

Black Bears, especially the ones in areas on the east coast, who have been around people for generations = stay out of their habitat and chase them away when they show up in your backyard so they don't start thinking it is their habitat.

Beck lives in Philadelphia. I think he should just get a cat to ease his fears.

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Re: There are bears and bears - [info]hallidae, 2008-05-18 11:31 pm UTC
Re: There are bears and bears - [info]pantyless_angel, 2008-05-19 12:45 am UTC
Re: There are bears and bears - [info]silrana, 2008-05-19 12:40 pm UTC
Re: There are bears and bears - [info]robinterrae, 2008-05-19 04:15 pm UTC
My thoughts: let me show you them.
[info]tiye
2008-05-18 07:24 pm UTC (link)
A lot of (intentional) humor derives from cognitive dissonance or the deliberate contradiction of logic, so when someone says something in all seriousness that seems utterly contrary to rational thought, even if it's offensive, the gut reaction is to find it funny. And yeah, I think it probably is also a defense mechanism.

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Re: My thoughts: let me show you them.
[info]missm
2008-05-18 10:46 pm UTC (link)
I think you're right and cognitive dissonance has something to do with it. Also, if some of these ideas weren't presented seriously, they might be funny. My daughter and her friends were watching a video made by David Horowitz' organization once. They thought it was hilarious until someone told them it wasn't a parody.

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Ah, Horowitz - [info]hallidae, 2008-05-18 11:34 pm UTC
Re: Ah, Horowitz - [info]missm, 2008-05-18 11:41 pm UTC
Re: Ah, Horowitz - [info]hallidae, 2008-05-18 11:57 pm UTC
Re: Ah, Horowitz - [info]re_weird, 2008-05-20 03:08 am UTC
Re: Ah, Horowitz - [info]hallidae, 2008-05-20 03:11 am UTC

[info]witty
2008-05-18 07:35 pm UTC (link)
#1 is undoubtedly hilarious, but for me, moreso because I had no idea Colbert was riffing on something real.

I would suggest that the unfunny/funny line lies at the border between asshole and lunatic. Like, one unfunny statement, and he's an asshole, but possibly an arguable or redeemable asshole; a jillion of them, spoken with sclerotic froth, and it's safe to assume that the speaker is off on his own personal crazy, from which he may never return.

The flipside of "You're so crazy it's funny" are those situations when somebody you think is a troll turns out to be, in fact, really diagnosably insane, and the comedy of their trollishness suddenly turns sour.

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[info]iwanttobeasleep
2008-05-18 09:47 pm UTC (link)
IIRC, Stephen was going to have an inane fear and hatred of some other animal, but by the time they got around to filming the first episode, the news piece they had in mind was so old that they picked a bear story instead.

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[info]missm
2008-05-18 10:50 pm UTC (link)
I remember one situation in particular where people started laughing and ended by encouraging the original "troll" to seek psychiatric help. No, not funny at all.

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[info]rosehiptea
2008-05-18 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Since I'm probably allowed to continue the unfunny here:

I used to have a certain limited amount of respect for Michael Medved (lost long before this) and we used to be in the same religious circles (vaguely, and they're not connected to that crap specifically) so now my "WTF how stupid and sick" is joined in with an assload of creeped-out-ness. People like him (him specifically to a limited degree, actually) were part of my inspiration to leave...

It's funny that even I, with little education in it, can spot how pathetic his knowledge of how DNA works is.

Yeah, sorry, I'll end my thoughts on yaoi but seeing his name connected to white supremacy is way unfunny.

(That said, I do understand the post. I've seen news stories so appalling I just had to laugh.)

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[info]missm
2008-05-18 10:52 pm UTC (link)
I know what it's like to lose respect for someone and for an organization. That has put certain topics in the permanently unfunny category for me too.

I'm not sure I would have laughed at Medved if I hadn't thought of the Farscape episode.

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[info]dreamer_marie
2008-05-18 08:35 pm UTC (link)
I'm at the point that I can't follow the news anymore unless it's diluted into lots of snark. Which is why I get most of my news from the Daily Show and the Colbert Report. It has the combined effect of keeping me sane and letting me lust after two handsome guys before bedtime.

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[info]missm
2008-05-18 10:54 pm UTC (link)
There have been times recently when that's where I've gotten most of my political news. I find non-US web sites are useful for getting world news that I might not otherwise here because a)even Jon and Stephen can't make it funny and b)our news organizations would rather discuss Obama's bowling score than people starving half a world away.

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[info]seiberwing
2008-05-18 09:19 pm UTC (link)
I feel sorry for that guy at the bottom right corner of the Christ Matthews interview. He barely gets five words in.

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[info]stella_polaris
2008-05-18 09:55 pm UTC (link)
They eat people! For the love of Pete, they’re big, angry bears. They eat people. Not that I say we go out and kill all of them, but I mean, it doesn’t seem to be a problem here.


Oh my God that fucking cracked my shit up.


It's the rampant stupidity that makes it funny. Although not that alone, it needs to be psychotic, rampant stupidity.


And if possible, Jon Stewart going, "interesting theory, care to elabocrazy on that?"

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(no subject) - [info]missm, 2008-05-18 10:58 pm UTC

[info]pocketfox
2008-05-18 10:44 pm UTC (link)
I suddenly have the desire for an icon of a sweet, adorable baby polar bear, with the words "BIG ANGRY BEAR" stamped on it.

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(no subject) - [info]missm, 2008-05-18 11:00 pm UTC
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[info]doomsday
2008-05-19 01:40 am UTC (link)
When I was in middle school, Michael Medved came to speak to us at an assembly. I can't even remember what he talked about, but he was annoying and preachy and ignorant. We booed him. A lot. Normally I'd feel bad about being rude to someone, but in his case, I really don't.

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[info]velvet_mace
2008-05-19 02:00 am UTC (link)
I thought the bear fear was Corberts schtick, I didn't realize he'd actually lifted it from a real politician!

I get in trouble for this, but I laugh inappropriately at a lot of things. You know, it's either laugh or scream, and I'd prefer to do both.

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(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-05-19 04:52 pm UTC

[info]soupspooks
2008-05-19 05:45 am UTC (link)
I think laughter is a defense mechanism, as velvet_mace said, you can either laugh or cry.

I also think that for some people, certain things are funny, and other things are absolutely not. Sometimes a conversation can go from laughter to 'fuck off and die' relatively quickly, and it's then that you really start to see where the line is.

Everyone's line is different.

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And sometimes the laughter is not nice laughter - [info]missm, 2008-05-19 02:39 pm UTC

[info]kahrohseh
2008-05-19 10:22 am UTC (link)
My godfather went North recently to hunt polar bear. When my mother told me about this, she had no idea why I was so upset.

I love my godfather. He's a doctor and a pilot and a grand ol' hick from North Dakota. He was my hero when I was little. But a fucking polar bear.

Thankfully, he didn't manage to find one.

...

I'm just gonna let that last statement marinate for a while, I think.

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(no subject) - [info]missm, 2008-05-21 11:06 pm UTC

 
   
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