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The Mad Bishounen ([info]jkefka) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2009-06-29 17:16:00


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Warnings Wank 2: Electric Clusterfuck
This shit be ugly y'all.

Following the previous 1000 comment unfunnybusiness post there have been some further entries to the fail-lympics, and to make things slightly easier and spare [info]doriangray's inbox I'm making a new post.


First, an update that didn't make it into the original post: [info]wistfuljane posts an open letter to zvi, thanks to [info]ingrid for linking it. There is, naturally, more wank in the comments.

Now for some new stuff. From [info]wank_report, the mousies found a couple of new posts on the issue, each one with its own wank. The first definitely has more than the second, starting with a lovely quote in the post:

"2. If you're that mentally and emotionally fragile, you probably shouldn't be reading fic at all. Or watching television. Or reading regular novels. And for god's sake, you'd better get off the internet right now."

That turns into a nice little teal deer wankfest in the comments.

There is some voice of reason in both posts. It is far too dilute to be of any good.

Finally, we have an added enormous clusterfuck inside the house. [info]esorlehcar and [info]oulangi get into a monstrously ugly fight in the comments of the first post. I don't even know, kids, I really don't.


And that's the ugliness. Anyone else has major developments they want to link put 'em in the comments, I'll try to keep up but I make no guarantees.

ETA 1: [info]agent_hyatt reports further wank inside the house. On a completely ADD note, I really need to figure out if I can do that Il Pallazzo cosplay.....

ETA 2: [info]caoilainn drops us a couple more links with plenty of wank to go around. Enormous clusterfuck is ENORMOUS.

ETA 3: More from inside the house, courtesy of [info]miss_padfoot. Here it's [info]misswindy talking about potential connections with racefail and setting off another hoard of teal deer.

ETA 4: A couple fresh links for you courtesy of [info]kelmendi and [info]esclaramonde! Aukestrel puts up an apology/flounce and zvi puts up what I might even call a genuine apology.

ETA 5: [info]sparklepuss brings us one more passenger on the failboat. ETA 5.5: And another.


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It's NOT a Wank
[info]inalasahl
2009-06-30 05:56 pm UTC (link)
Not agreeing or disagreeing with this comment, but it reminded me to notice that that word is being used an awful lot in this post and the earlier one.

There's a reason this comm is unfunnybusiness and not unfunnywank. There's a reason this comm is not in the fandom_wank umbrella. Wank is not an accurate description for what's going on, and it sounds dismissive.

I wish people would stop using it in reference to this discussion.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]oodlesoquim
2009-06-30 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Thank you! I get angry when I see it referred to as a "wank," because this whole fiasco has (dis)ablism, psychophobia and able privilege at its heart, even if some aspects of it have veered off into other territories.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]inalasahl
2009-07-01 12:38 am UTC (link)
*nods* Yes.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]deliciouschaos
2009-06-30 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Mm, unfunnybusiness was originally conceived for wanky things that have unfunny elements. However, its most common use these days is for unfunny incidents.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]inalasahl
2009-06-30 07:31 pm UTC (link)
Your comment does not change anything I've said.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]jkefka
2009-06-30 09:56 pm UTC (link)
Except that this comm started as "unfunnywank" as you call it, and therefore you are somewhat incorrect and also a bit of a dick.

So what word would you prefer? Pontification? Fappery? Poorly planned discourse? I got a whole GRE's worth of synonyms here.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]kylenne
2009-06-30 10:26 pm UTC (link)
I'm kind of partial to "JESUS HELL WHAT" personally but I don't know if that's really a noun.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]faultypremise
2009-06-30 11:14 pm UTC (link)
I always was partial to... And today's weather is JESUS CHRIST WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?!?

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]sisterelwood
2009-06-30 11:06 pm UTC (link)
I'll take 'general fuckwittery' for $100, Alex.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]inalasahl
2009-07-01 12:36 am UTC (link)
Opinions are not facts. They can't be correct or incorrect.

I would prefer morass, discourse, entanglement, discussion, any synonym you'd like to pluck from an exam that doesn't mean fapping away merely for one's own self-gratification.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]kelmendi
2009-07-01 01:38 am UTC (link)
Is that how you define wank? I've always thought of it more as a synonym for 'general fuckwittery' which can be funny or unfunny, depending on the subject matter.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]inalasahl
2009-07-01 02:08 am UTC (link)
Yes, that is how I've understood the term.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]kelmendi
2009-07-01 02:56 am UTC (link)
I suspect that the majority of the people using wank to describe the current warning mess are using a definition closer to mine than to yours. They're not trying to use it to minimize the situation.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]sisterelwood
2009-07-01 03:22 am UTC (link)
This is exactly what I'm seeing the term as meaning. I'm actually on the side of, "Hey! General warnings are a nice thing to include," but both sides of the 'discourse' here have been acting before thinking leading to a whole lot of miscommunication.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]esclaramonde
2009-07-01 05:44 pm UTC (link)
I agree, but can also see it in the other sense by the anti-warnings side.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]sisterelwood
2009-06-30 10:59 pm UTC (link)
You're right. This community was created to allow for polite discourse, hearts, rainbows, and hugs. It's reason for being has nothing to do with the fact that JF-ers have certain subjects that cause them to fly into irrational bouts of wanking and TL;DR. The only reason racism and feminism wanks end up here is because we all want to hold hands and sing a rousing chorus of Kumbaya. This community has nothing to do with subjects which, while being rage-inducing, are also hilarious with how idiotic people can be. I'm so glad someone saw through the lies.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]sisterelwood
2009-06-30 10:50 pm UTC (link)
Do you even understand the point of this community?

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]inalasahl
2009-07-01 12:08 am UTC (link)
Well, I didn't think the point was to equate sexual trauma, post-traumatic stress disorder and some of the most heinous and insensitive comments I've ever seen in fandom with your thoughts on redecorating My Little Ponies, but let's agree to disagree.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]kita0610
2009-07-01 01:10 am UTC (link)
ILU.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]sisterelwood
2009-07-01 03:27 am UTC (link)
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that this community is for when we have sensitive subjects that lead to a lot of strong opinions being expressed. People are capable of acting like fuckwits regardless of something being funny or unfunny. There is a lot of TL;DR from people on both sides here. In all the time it takes to debate the issue someone could write a simple warning- that's the part I find moronic right now and quite wanky to boot.

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Re: It's NOT a Wank
[info]sandglass
2009-07-02 03:35 pm UTC (link)
I think it's fair to call this a wank. A large part of the participants aren't in it for discussion but for intellectual masturbation, speshul snowflaking, and a "wah oppression" circle-jerk. It's not funny, but it's damned wanky.

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