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Pyrate Jenni ([info]pyratejenni) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2008-05-28 23:02:00


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Current mood:*Snarl*
Entry tags:fandom is fucking stupid, it's okay if i don't like you, jesus wept

At least SA goons are honest trolls, or, Fandom double-standards FTL
Over the years, the unspoken rule of fandom "What happens in fandom, stays in fandom." You don't contact a fan's place of employment, university, etc. unless it's serious shit -- "serious shit" meaning illegal or life-threatening, not fannish wars or bruised egos.

Apparently, not anymore.

[info]hypersurfaces posted a con report about WisCon that focused on the obesity of the con attendees on the Something Awful board . The post is seriously unfunny and full of fail. She later had the post deleted, but it was later reposted at a related site, Something Awful Sychophant Squad.


Attendees on Wiscon discover the post, and all hell breaks loose. Massive amounts of rage, including posts (locked and the source for this didn't get caps) of several people threatening [info]hypersurfaces about how they would hurt/STAB her if they saw her on the street. [info]hypersurfaces is forever and ever banned from WisCon. But not content with that, people -- including [info]badgerbag -- find her real name, her school, and write to her dean saying she was violating the schools sexual harrassment policy. I'm not posting the link because it has her real name in it, and I like my permanent account here too much to risk the ToS.

[info]hypersurfaces real name and real info are posted all over by fen who have previously rallied against that sort of thing - because in this case, she clearly deserves it. The casual threats of violence are astounding, and now apparently people are writing her and saying they're going to hurt/kill her - using the real name/addresses so thoughtfully provided by the angry wisconners. Kudos to the mod there for at least stepping up and telling people to knock the shit out.

But nada about this behavior from fen normally so worried about community standards, like [info]coffeeandink.

So it's okay now to post people's real names and similar information, as long as they do something that really, really pisses you off. Because they deserve it.

ETA: Clarified where [info]hypersurfaces's post originally went up.




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[info]imp
2008-05-29 09:38 am UTC (link)
..Are these people insane?

Yeah, she's a bitch, but being mean to you on the internet is no excuse for that kind of utter and complete crazy.

Jesus Christ. It wasn't even that different from the usual con reports posted at SA.

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(no subject) - [info]pipssister, 2008-05-29 05:49 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]smashingstars, 2008-05-29 11:39 pm UTC
I need to be honest and use this icon more often... - [info]sgaana, 2008-05-30 02:37 pm UTC
Re: I need to be honest and use this icon more often... - [info]darkrose, 2008-05-31 10:21 pm UTC

[info]rosalita
2008-05-29 11:02 am UTC (link)
While I don't condone threats and the posting of anyone's personal information for any reason, I'm having trouble working up much sympathy for this girl.

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(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2008-05-30 02:10 am UTC

[info]ladyvorkosigan
2008-05-29 11:40 am UTC (link)
Okay, since this is unfunnybusiness, I'm going to go all out. I'll try and clean up my splooge when I'm done myself. This is not someone getting mad about a Supernatural shipping war and seeking out someone else's real life info. This is someone taking pictures of real life people, in real life, and posting them in ways that are easily identifiable to anyone who sees the pictures and knows them. Furthermore, it's someone who attends the same university that many of the con attendees attend and work at and who they can be expected to see on a regular basis. It's also someone who used her real name at the con and who was seen taking pictures there. This is not an Internet dispute dragged into real life; it's a real life situation that she used the Internet to perpetuate. These are totally different things.

Moreover, honestly? I don't know if you've ever had your picture put on-line and your appearance derided by people who you're fairly sure included at least some of your classmates and co-workers? I have. It doesn't feel like an abstract Internet "oh, just another flame war" issue; it feels blatantly unsafe. And yeah, some people have thicker skins then others. But for many people, it acts as a lurking, menacing, unstated threat. And this goes a hundred times over for people like the transpeople whose pictures she's posted that are in very real fear of violence against them personally on a regular basis. So it's nice that you think this is just another Internet flamewar with the honest goons trolling like they do and why would those silly fat feminist bitches want to ruin their fun? But I think you should go fuck yourself.

And yes, of course death threats are never okay. Nor did anyone actually say they were. If she has really received them, we have no idea who did it or what the content was, and leveling that charge against the people who posted that they were outraged at her behavior or even the people who posted her real name is unfounded at this point in time.

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[info]esclaramonde
2008-05-29 12:50 pm UTC (link)
I keep going back and forth on this.

If her real name can be found on her LJ, then, okay, it's not so bad to just use it in apostraphe. If it's from the fake account made by SA ... then she didn't post it, and it's shitty to repeat it. If she used first names with her pictures (which I'm not sure is or isn't the case, I'm seeing conflicting reports), then I guess it's fair play to use her first name, but just because "she did it first" doesn't mean you can't be mature about it. I'm seeing that her address was posted by SA/SASS, I think, and that should have been stomped on by fandom. I don't really care what she did, that is universally not acceptable.

I am also wondering how many of the people who are responding to this on LJ saw the actual report. Because you see that with wank all the time - "my flist is posting on this issue, so here are my thoughts on it, or what I think it is, anyway".

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[info]bemysty
2008-05-29 01:06 pm UTC (link)
Protip: These sorts of posts tend to go over better when you as the reporting party don't have your bias hanging all over the post itself.

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[info]everstar
2008-05-29 01:45 pm UTC (link)
For me it comes down to this:

Posting someone's real name, college affiliation, address, phone number, blood type, whatever, in response to something she's done that you disliked and/or disagreed with is not okay. Threatening to punch her in the face is also not okay, although it's more okay than actually punching her in the face.

HOWEVER.

Going to a convention for, apparently, the express purpose of taking pictures to mock the attendees, including a nine-year-old boy, and posting those pictures on a public site renowned for its hostility to women, fat people, people of color, etc. is ALSO NOT OKAY. Of course the Wiscon-ites are pissed. What they thought of as their safe space was violated.

God. Is it that hard to understand? If hypersurfaces just had to be an inconsiderate, thoughtless wanker, she should have at least had the "decency" to do it in private. Throwing a whole bunch of people who were just looking to hang out and talk about sci-fi to the rabid SA wolves is just plain cruel.

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(no subject) - [info]plazmah, 2008-05-29 08:26 pm UTC
There is so much unfunny here omg.
[info]cal
2008-05-29 01:55 pm UTC (link)
I preface this by saying that I am a person with intense privacy issues that are so deep-seated and socially crippling that I don't allow my friends to take pictures of me in private. I understand that finding pictures of yourself where you're not expecting to see them is horrifying. I get it. I really, really do.

However, with that being said, I think something needs to be made very clear: trying to ruin this girl's life for the rest of her life because she made fun of people on the internet is so unbelievably uncool and desperately wrong I can't even begin to grok why, when, or where this could ever possibly be okay. Because she deserved it? Huh really? WTF?

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Re: There is so much unfunny here omg. - [info]fourthage, 2008-05-31 12:21 am UTC

[info]miraba
2008-05-29 02:17 pm UTC (link)
SA didn't "pick it up." She posted it there herself.

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[info]goblin
2008-05-29 02:38 pm UTC (link)
Damn, [info]pyratejenni, you lure me in with Your Little Mutant Pony and then ::thwap:: with the extreme fail of your grudge-post.

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[info]sgaana
2008-05-29 04:07 pm UTC (link)
A further thought about the "community standards" issue:

AFAIK, the general fandom community standard is [a] not to link real names (etc.) to online pseuds when a person has explicitly stated they don't want them to be linked, and [b] to tend to assume that people *don't* want them linked, even if you don't know of an explicit statement from them about it. Violations of [a] tend to attract the most vigorous outcry, of course.

But when a person *herself* links her real name to her online pseud -- why should fandom not take that as a sign that she isn't trying to keep them separate? If the reports that she had *both* her real name, her hometown, and her LJ handle on her con-badge are accurate (and I am hardly going to call the con attendees who are reporting that liars), then why should fandom act as if this is an [a] or [b] situation and continue to make an effort to keep them separate?

I stand by my characterization of her, above, as "dumb as a bag of hammers", in addition to being a vicious asshole. But if indeed she has already broken her own privacy barrier, why is fandom expected to guard it for her?

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[info]lerefuge
2008-05-29 04:09 pm UTC (link)
I know I am not in the majority here but I don't agree with the accusation on pyratejenni of grudge or lame post. The point of the post was not the vile Wiscon report but the divulging of the private informations and death threats. I saw the point of her posts as it doesn't matter what despicable and vile thing you do, disclosing private infos and encouraging people to act on it is NOT OKAY. I kinda agree with that assessment too.

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[info]velvet_mace
2008-05-29 04:13 pm UTC (link)
Yet one more example of why you should put your impulse to be nasty and condescending under f-lock, preferably filtered to those friends who will still like you after you are done.

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[info]lostmahmarbles
2008-05-29 04:22 pm UTC (link)
What she did was a horrible thing and she does deserve some serious flack for what she's done.

find her real name, her school, and write to her dean saying she was violating the schools sexual harrassment policy.

That right there? WAY TOO FAR.

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iwanttobeasleep
2008-05-29 04:53 pm UTC (link)
Since everyone else is making it ~personal~:

Speaking as a person who lives in Wisconsin, attends the UW system, and hopes to some day work at the UW system, I have a lot of trouble listening to people claim it's just the Internet. She was hostile, harassing, and personal. She didn't pull any punches with who she made fun of, or why. While I disagree with what people did, because I don't like the moral precedence, it makes me really uncomfortable to think that I'd have to deal with her, or be in a situation where she might have authority of myself or anyone else. I can't imagine how the people who went to WisCon, and who saw their pictures there must feel.

While I disagree with what they did, I really don't think the comparison between what she did, which was hateful and began in the real world, to people getting punished over harmless fandom activities that exist completely on the internet. A lot of non-fandomers would react badly if they found out someone was writing underage porn in fandom, but we're smart people, we can make that distinction. There's no call for saying that what is happening to her is like what happened to people who are actually innocent. She made it personal, she brought it from the real world, and she didn't take the proper precautions to separate her asshole internet life from her real one (or her asshole real life from her professional real life). I feel bad from a fanfic writer who gets punished because people think underage slash=pedophilia, but I don't feel bad because someone decides to make fun of women, POC, and their children and the victims decided to match her assholery.

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[info]beaniesheppard
2008-05-29 05:01 pm UTC (link)
Fandom community standards don't apply when you covertly take pictures of other people with RL identifying information on them, and then use them to mock people on the internet.

If RM didn't want this impacting on her real life, she shouldn't have indulged in such cuntish behaviour that caused genuine pain and distress to other people.

Too fucking back if she's feeling the heat. I've no sympathy - even more so because people are using her self-publicised ED as a reason/excuse for her behaviour, and it's bad enough that society things all mentally ill people are dangerous without people actually giving credence to that idea.

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(no subject) - [info]beaniesheppard, 2008-05-29 05:25 pm UTC
Over here, please - [info]pyratejenni, 2008-05-31 03:52 am UTC
Re: Over here, please - [info]beaniesheppard, 2008-05-31 07:36 am UTC

[info]vito_excalibur
2008-05-29 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Oh hey, and for extra fail on your part? Looks like [info]badgerbag posted her real name and university affiliation, and that's all. It was the "honest trolls" who found her phone number and posted it at Something Awful.

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(no subject) - [info]seperis, 2008-05-29 05:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]airawyn, 2008-05-29 09:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]logovo, 2008-05-30 01:43 am UTC
Cheers!
[info]sasser
2008-05-29 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Hello from SASS. We're more lazy trolls than honest trolls, really. Easier to wait for some other blog to dig up the dirt. Or search flickr.

We're all good, honest, lazy internet trolls, drop on by sometime and lets have a chat.

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[info]prettyveela
2008-05-29 05:21 pm UTC (link)
Everyone keeps saying that the pictures she posted blur out the faces but I'm seeing pictures with people's faces in that thread, where are those coming from? I really don't want to read the whole thread to find out. :\

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(no subject) - [info]witty, 2008-05-29 05:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]prettyveela, 2008-05-29 05:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-05-29 05:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]prettyveela, 2008-05-29 06:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]witty, 2008-05-29 06:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]prettyveela, 2008-05-29 06:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sgaana, 2008-05-30 01:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2008-05-29 09:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]witty, 2008-05-29 09:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]onyxnoir, 2008-05-30 03:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]witty, 2008-05-30 04:39 am UTC

[info]luthe
2008-05-29 06:08 pm UTC (link)
*head-fucking-desk* Look, I know the girl is a troll and an asshole. I know people all over the Internet are pissed. I know she was wearing an ID badge at WisCon.

BUT FOR FSM'S SAKE, PEOPLE, DO WE HAVE TO BE DOUCHEBAGS, TOO?

Let the rest of the Internet spread the girl's real name. We as wankas have higher standards and more decency than that.

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(no subject) - [info]risha, 2008-05-29 06:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stromatolite, 2008-05-29 09:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2008-05-29 09:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sgaana, 2008-05-29 09:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2008-05-29 09:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sgaana, 2008-05-29 09:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stromatolite, 2008-05-29 10:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2008-05-30 03:28 am UTC
wrt Luthe - [info]pyratejenni, 2008-05-30 03:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2008-05-29 09:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2008-05-30 05:32 am UTC

[info]ninwhore
2008-05-29 06:13 pm UTC (link)
I've heard that her badge had just her SA name, just her name, or her name and LJ.

Does anyone know for sure which of these is it?

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(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2008-05-29 09:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ninwhore, 2008-05-29 10:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sgaana, 2008-05-29 11:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esclaramonde, 2008-05-30 01:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sgaana, 2008-05-30 01:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sgaana, 2008-05-30 04:03 am UTC

[info]rusty_halo
2008-05-29 08:44 pm UTC (link)
This woman showed up to harass real people at a real life place, wearing a badge with her real name on it. That makes her name fair game. It's entirely different from a fannish disagreement that originates on the internet under pseudonyms, where real names are presumed to be secret and deserving of protection except in extreme circumstances.

(Death threats are, of course, beyond the pale. Though, to be fair, I suspect they're coming from SA trolls, not Wiscon attendees.)

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[info]esclaramonde
2008-05-29 09:19 pm UTC (link)
To [info]ariadne484:

Thank you for deleting your comment. To explain mine - I'm not defending hyperspaces or whatever her name is. I think what she did was horrible, and I wish she'd never gone to the con and that she'd get some better therapy. I just think Googlebombing her with this is too much. I didn't mean my comment in an accusatory way at all, and I'm sorry it came off like that.

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(no subject) - [info]ariadne484, 2008-05-30 12:03 am UTC
Why yes, context *does* matter.
[info]airawyn
2008-05-29 09:19 pm UTC (link)
Whether or not you were originally involved with the whole mess, you've clearly taken sides (fine) and your report leaves out large chunks of information in order to support that side (not fine).

From going through the comments here and following links provided, here's what it seems is happening:

- The people reporting this woman to her employer are her coworkers - fellow grad students - at U of W Madison, the university strongly associated with Wiscon. That's a helluva lot different than calling someone's employer up out of the blue.

- The alleged death/violence threats are allegedly from the SA goons. "Alleged" being a key word here because I haven't seen any links/screencaps that contained actual threats. (And no, posts saying "don't threaten her" don't count.)

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Re: Why yes, context *does* matter. - [info]esclaramonde, 2008-05-29 09:28 pm UTC
Re: Why yes, context *does* matter. - [info]airawyn, 2008-05-29 09:36 pm UTC
Re: Why yes, context *does* matter. - [info]esclaramonde, 2008-05-29 10:15 pm UTC
Re: Why yes, context *does* matter. - [info]frequentmouse, 2008-05-29 10:17 pm UTC
Re: Why yes, context *does* matter. - [info]esclaramonde, 2008-05-30 12:57 pm UTC
... - [info]lady_ganesh, 2008-05-30 04:30 pm UTC
... - [info]frequentmouse, 2008-05-30 04:47 pm UTC
... - [info]lady_ganesh, 2008-05-30 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xero_sky, 2008-05-29 10:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]influencethis, 2008-05-29 10:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lottelita, 2008-05-30 12:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xero_sky, 2008-05-30 12:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2008-05-30 04:32 pm UTC
Re: Why yes, context *does* matter. - [info]ladybug218, 2008-05-30 12:15 am UTC
this may or not make senses...
[info]mistal
2008-05-29 09:37 pm UTC (link)
She might be the one that took it closer to real life and then the reaction fully bringing it out to real life, but it should've stay there. People that might or might not work with her would/could have a good reason to get the school involved. If that is the case it should've stayed there. It shouldn't make it back to the net, her addressed should've not been post all over the freaken place so that fan #139388 from Texas also complains, just because "she deserve it!" and that they're feeling were hurt without being literally hurt or reacting just on the principal of being hurt (Im not saying that the peoples directly involved dont have a reason to be hurt, they have all the reasons in the world).

And I thought my faith in humanity could've not been more destroyed. DDD: xinfinity

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Re: this may or not make senses... - [info]frequentmouse, 2008-05-29 10:15 pm UTC
Re: this may or not make senses... - [info]mistal, 2008-05-29 10:49 pm UTC



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