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risha
2008-05-29 05:02 am UTC (link)

Hmm. Sorry,

pyratejenni, but while I totally agree with your "calling her employers and threatening violence are really insane and f-ed up thing to do" stance, I feel like I should add some additional context about the rage she has invoked. Along with the insults to fat attendees, her post contains slurs against a trans man, disabled people, and POCs. Oh, and calls the nine year old son of one of the attendees a pussy, which she was "nice" enough to apologize for.

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	risha 2008-05-29 05:06 am UTC (link)
	(Or is that PsOC? I've never been clear about it. I iz a dumbass.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	littlemousling 2008-05-29 05:09 am UTC (link)
	I generally see POC used as a plural as well as a singular. Makes sense, really. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	risha 2008-05-29 05:13 am UTC (link)
	Oh, of course. That makes complete sense and is blindingly obvious. I really am a dumbass. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seiberwing 2008-05-29 11:18 am UTC (link)
	I've also seen it PoC, which looks like a movie acronym. (Reply to this)(Parent)

pyratejenni
2008-05-29 05:10 am UTC (link)

The things she said were horrible and disgusting. No argument there. WisCon had every right to ban her. However, people said some pretty horrible and disgusting things during the miscegenation imbroglio last year, and all the BSG and Stargate race debacles, yet no one posted their real-life information. Someone argued on LJ that slash was hot but real gays were disgusting, and no one posted her real-life information.

In short, your argument boiils down "but she's so mean and wanky, she deserves it!"

And I don't buy it.

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	risha 2008-05-29 05:16 am UTC (link)
	Uh, I'm not arguing with you. Actually, I explicitly agreed with you. That's why I said "calling her employers and threatening violence are really insane and f-ed up thing to do". (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	pyratejenni 2008-05-29 05:28 am UTC (link)
	Uh, I'm not arguing with you. Actually, I explicitly agreed with you. nods The thing is, people will use "yes, listing her real-life info is horrible but!" as a way to make it...not so horrible. Which is why I don't buy that argument, and that's why I responded as I did. (Reply to this)(Parent)

iwanttobeasleep
2008-05-29 05:27 am UTC (link)

I agree. I don't doubt people are spreading her personal information, because that's what people on the Internet do for everything, but ~~not mentioning how the victim is a hateful bint who posted people's pictures and names~~ leaving out any context makes the post sounds like a rant and a personal vendetta. This isn't a wank comm, so I'm going with unfunny grudge (grudge business?).

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	pyratejenni 2008-05-29 05:38 am UTC (link)
	Fandom has had this standard that you leave people's non-fannish life outside of their fannish life, unless there's illegality involved. That's been a big deal on LJ for ages. And now suddenly it's not. "She did it first is!" isn't an excuse. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ealusaid 2008-05-29 06:48 am UTC (link)
	Yes, but you're coming off as "Those crazy bitches went apeshit on someone who was really mostly innocent!" which is a small but important difference. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

starkeymonster
2008-05-29 07:54 am UTC (link)

IAWTC

Especially given that the threats of violence were along the typical lines of things people say in discussions about people who are infuriating.

I know I said more than once I wanted to punch her in the face. Which is something I say about 50 bazillion times a day and I don't think can be construed as an actual threat.

I'd also point out that that not revealing a fannish person's RL info has been, in my experience, about not telling RL people about someone's fannish habits. Not about shielding a fan from RL consequences of their actions. She had the university she works for as a graduate student contacted not because she is a fan, but because she harassed the fuck out of con goers. The was called out on her harassment of people, not on her fannish behavior.

I'd also say it is deeply unclear to me if she is actually is a fan. She stated she attended WisCon purely to fuel her hatred of people, especially women, and to take pictures to put on SA. I have a hard time feeling fannish solidarity for someone because they plunked down the $$ to attend a con for purpose of of mocking people.