Current mood:	Snarl
Entry tags:	fandom is fucking stupid, it's okay if i don't like you, jesus wept

At least SA goons are honest trolls, or, Fandom double-standards FTL
Over the years, the unspoken rule of fandom "What happens in fandom, stays in fandom." You don't contact a fan's place of employment, university, etc. unless it's serious shit -- "serious shit" meaning illegal or life-threatening, not fannish wars or bruised egos.

Apparently, not anymore.

hypersurfaces posted a con report about WisCon that focused on the obesity of the con attendees on the Something Awful board . The post is seriously unfunny and full of fail. She later had the post deleted, but it was later reposted at a related site, Something Awful Sychophant Squad.

Attendees on Wiscon discover the post, and all hell breaks loose. Massive amounts of rage, including posts (locked and the source for this didn't get caps) of several people threatening hypersurfaces about how they would hurt/STAB her if they saw her on the street. hypersurfaces is forever and ever banned from WisCon. But not content with that, people -- including badgerbag -- find her real name, her school, and write to her dean saying she was violating the schools sexual harrassment policy. I'm not posting the link because it has her real name in it, and I like my permanent account here too much to risk the ToS.

hypersurfaces real name and real info are posted all over by fen who have previously rallied against that sort of thing - because in this case, she clearly deserves it. The casual threats of violence are astounding, and now apparently people are writing her and saying they're going to hurt/kill her - using the real name/addresses so thoughtfully provided by the angry wisconners. Kudos to the mod there for at least stepping up and telling people to knock the shit out.

But nada about this behavior from fen normally so worried about community standards, like coffeeandink.

So it's okay now to post people's real names and similar information, as long as they do something that really, really pisses you off. Because they deserve it.

ETA: Clarified where hypersurfaces's post originally went up.

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	Re: What the HELL? magistera 2008-05-29 08:42 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not sure where you're located, but in the US, at least where I've lived, 'Islamist' is pretty much a right-wing term that is comorbid with things like 'All Muslims are terrorists' and 'Nuke Mecca'. It's considered pretty inflammatory in a lot of places. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: What the HELL?

chibikaijuu
2008-05-29 09:08 pm UTC (link)

That's how I've seen it used in the US/UK, but I also looked at who was speaking and went "wait, I know that

t_boy is Muslim, and in a non-English-speaking country, so perhaps his working definition is more specific to "crackpot violent fundamentalists" and he doesn't realize what it looks like from our perspective."

I was surprised just how quickly people jumped on him, though not surprised that they did.

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	Re: What the HELL? panthea 2008-05-31 11:03 pm UTC (link)
	For what it's worth, I'm a Muslim in the U.S. and I'm more accustomed to how t_boy used the term than the alternative. It's definitely a legitimate distinction to me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: What the HELL?

chibikaijuu
2008-06-01 01:57 am UTC (link)

Part of it is that I haven't heard it used often by Muslims - usually it's by (white Christian) pundits or similar, and the intent seems to be to create a false distinction so people won't get angry. (That is, the people using the term don't see much of a distinction and use the term so they can say "oh, I didn't mean the good Muslims" when people try to call them on racism.) But I'm willing to believe it means what it supposedly means when used by other people.

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Re: What the HELL?

panthea
2008-06-01 06:23 pm UTC (link)

There's also the part where I've gotten quite good at avoiding things I know are bound to piss me off, so I've rarely been in a situation where I would hear (or read) "Islamist" being used as a Muslim slur. So maybe if I weren't Muslim, and so didn't have such an ingrained aversion to people who would use it in that sense, I would have heard it more often and thus consider the word in a different light.

Which might possibly be ironic, except I've given up all attempts to accurately determine what's irony and what just plain sucks.

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