Current mood:	Snarl
Entry tags:	fandom is fucking stupid, it's okay if i don't like you, jesus wept

At least SA goons are honest trolls, or, Fandom double-standards FTL
Over the years, the unspoken rule of fandom "What happens in fandom, stays in fandom." You don't contact a fan's place of employment, university, etc. unless it's serious shit -- "serious shit" meaning illegal or life-threatening, not fannish wars or bruised egos.

Apparently, not anymore.

hypersurfaces posted a con report about WisCon that focused on the obesity of the con attendees on the Something Awful board . The post is seriously unfunny and full of fail. She later had the post deleted, but it was later reposted at a related site, Something Awful Sychophant Squad.

Attendees on Wiscon discover the post, and all hell breaks loose. Massive amounts of rage, including posts (locked and the source for this didn't get caps) of several people threatening hypersurfaces about how they would hurt/STAB her if they saw her on the street. hypersurfaces is forever and ever banned from WisCon. But not content with that, people -- including badgerbag -- find her real name, her school, and write to her dean saying she was violating the schools sexual harrassment policy. I'm not posting the link because it has her real name in it, and I like my permanent account here too much to risk the ToS.

hypersurfaces real name and real info are posted all over by fen who have previously rallied against that sort of thing - because in this case, she clearly deserves it. The casual threats of violence are astounding, and now apparently people are writing her and saying they're going to hurt/kill her - using the real name/addresses so thoughtfully provided by the angry wisconners. Kudos to the mod there for at least stepping up and telling people to knock the shit out.

But nada about this behavior from fen normally so worried about community standards, like coffeeandink.

So it's okay now to post people's real names and similar information, as long as they do something that really, really pisses you off. Because they deserve it.

ETA: Clarified where hypersurfaces's post originally went up.

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Screw this.

risha
2008-05-30 04:02 am UTC (link)

pyratejenni, I'm formally asking you to explain you viewpoint about this topic at this moment, having had extensive access now to an avalanche of information. Some portion of which is contradictory, I admit, but most of which is well established from multiple viewpoints that weren't available 24 hours ago.

From my most recent reading of the comments, your responses this evening have been limited, inflammatory, and failing to address any of today's revelations.

Here's your chance to prove that this isn't a grudgewank/deliberately biased/etc.

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	Re: Screw this. pyratejenni 2008-05-30 05:19 am UTC (link)
	What oulangi said. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Screw this. risha 2008-05-30 11:16 am UTC (link)
	Do you actually think that that is an adequate response? Or are we to just assume that you haven't bothered to read any comments not directly supporting your opinion? Weak, very weak. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Screw this. frequentmouse 2008-05-30 04:52 pm UTC (link)
	But it's good to be king! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Screw this. porn_star 2008-05-30 05:10 pm UTC (link)
	It's good to see you and Oulangi know where the line needs to be drawn regarding contacting employers, police stations, and so on. I'm sure Dionne finds it very comforting. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Screw this. ecchaniz0r 2008-05-30 06:57 pm UTC (link)
	I had to think for a sec to remember who Dionne was. Now all i can say is OH FUCKING SNAP :O (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Screw this. lab 2008-05-30 07:08 pm UTC (link)
	Cliff's notes for the lazy/forgetful of us? (I fail massively at the history of wank, I still have trouble telling Aja/Ari/Ivy/bnshavemorefun apart) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Screw this. notjo 2008-05-30 07:08 pm UTC (link)
	MsScribe. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	I'll go back to drawing board now. lab 2008-05-30 07:14 pm UTC (link)
	AH! Thanks. Should've looked closely at my icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Screw this. esclaramonde 2008-05-30 09:04 pm UTC (link)
	Checking /= reporting. (Reply to this)(Parent)

You sound familiar.

oulangi
2008-05-31 03:43 am UTC (link)

I called A police station to checked facts on public record - or well, facts that would have been on public record IF they're actually happened. I did so at the request of a person who WAS being used as a patsy in this, because they felt - well, used and sick and wanted it just done. I did NOT contact employers. I did not contact MsScribe herself.

I assume from this comment that you're actually AGAINST the outing of this person, or was this in lieu of an actual point?

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Re: You sound familiar.

porn_star
2008-06-01 07:46 am UTC (link)

As long as you've got it all rationalized for yourself! Me, I wouldn't dare to judge, not being one of those sinned against in either case. I only bothered to interject because of the amazing and amusing irony here -- especially the "it's okay if I don't like you" tag -- much too much to resist.

And sorry to disappoint, but no, you don't know me, and we have never spoken on this or any topic. Although the familiar username is deliberate, yes... but only as another amusement. :D

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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?

oulangi
2008-06-01 10:15 am UTC (link)

And sorry to disappoint, but no, you don't know me, and we have never spoken on this or any topic.
Which is why you've created a sock and anonymized your IP, sound eerily alike, and oh hey, are randomly revising history to accuse me of whatever bizarre transgression you've imagined this time. Dude, either you're TS or you're channeling him from the astral plane. Either way, I'm not engaging you. Three years and a goat was quite enough, thank you very much.

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Re: Screw this.

ladyindigo
2008-05-30 06:25 pm UTC (link)

Doesn't change the fact that your report is both inaccurate (people were not just attacked for being fat, it was not just adult congoers, it is specious as to whether it's even the Wisconners behind the personal attacks considering the SA/SASS role in this) and biased as hell (the people reporting her knew her name ahead of time without research, they were also directly involved due to their shared university or employment association) because of its inaccuracy. You can include the new information without changing your opinion, you can include it without linking to her real name and info (a screencap whiting out HER name is not hard), and you could at the very least admit that you should have done a hell of a lot more research before presenting the situation as a petty fandom squabble when as far as I'm concerned fandom is only loosely associated.

And barring that, I want someone else to write a separate report, because I agree there are weird precedents and things to debate here but as the girlfriend of a Wiscon-goer (who was not attacked but knew many of the people who were) I want to see them debated ACCURATELY.

Hosing myself off and relurking, now.

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	Re: Screw this. zillah975 2008-05-31 07:26 pm UTC (link)
	IAWTC. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Screw this. nostariel 2008-06-03 10:29 pm UTC (link)
	IAWTC x1000 (Reply to this)(Parent)

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