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polly peachum-wright ([info]wallflower) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2009-08-31 04:39:00


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Entry tags:wtf?

Neuroscientist Ogi Ogas ([info]ogi_ogas, working with Sai Gaddam/[info]saigaddam) posts a survey about slash fic as part of a project (a book, actually, though they don't bother to mention that), because "We're deeply interested in broad-based behavioral data that involves romantic or erotic cognition and evinces a clear distinction between men and women. Fan fiction matches this criteria perfectly" (link to FAQ). It's advertised on crack_van.

They have an open discussion post for the survey. People bring up the many issues they have with the questions (and [info]eruthros, who mods kink_bingo on DW, posts their interaction with the researchers, who approached them about participating. This is where we find out they're working on a book.). (ETA: Ogas has also set up this post to discuss individual questions.)

It's not wanky, just very, very unfunny. If you want to read the questions, someone on the Doctor Who anonmeme copied them: 1-30, 31-70. If you read them, though: be warned: one of the questions (#61) can be considered triggery.

ETA2: Ogas has posted each question individually in this post. The potentially triggering question still appears on page 3 of comments, though they have since replaced the question within the survey with a totally different one.

ETA3: Ogas has taken down the survey (and changed the body of all journal entries) to "digest all this great feedback." It looks like he has stopped responding to comments, including those with legitimate questions like "Did you get IRB approval for this?"

From [info]notjo: "[info]jonquil's post on the subject talks about the ethics of human research, as well as pointing out that a book due out in 2010 is probably already written."

[info]shaggirl (who pimped the survey on crack_van) pimps on her personal journal here with some oh-so-charming quotes from Ogas (thanks, [info]lady_ganesh!).

ETA4: [info]shaggirl defends Ogi and Sai and will continue to let them use crack_van to promote their survey if that's what they want. She also defends her decision to pimp it on the comm: "I spend an average of 10-12 hours per month maintaining the comm, and have done for the past 6+ years. It is a labor of love, not because I get a great deal out of it personally (since the first few months of its existence I could count the number of fics I've read off it on two hands with fingers to spare), but because I wish to give something nice to fandom. If once every few years I feel like taking a little something back, by promoting something of interest to myself and fandom, then I am not going to apologize for that."
(I tried to summarize it, but it's wanky enough on its own. She at least admits it's wanky, though.)

ETA5: [info]fridgepunk has written Ogi Ogas/Sai Gaddam and posted it here (in Ogas's journal). Insert Rule 34 joke here.

ETA6: Ogas continues to prove himself to be mind-numbingly stupid with such gems as:

"Well, slash is kind of the female equivalent of the straight male interest in transsexuals." (full thread here)

And this thread, with moar fail. Pro: he apologizes for using the word "tranny." Con: he says he thought it was okay for him to use it because it's "the term they use for themselves."

He also, curiously, continues to evade the question "Do you have IRB approval for this?"

ETA7: [info]deadlychameleon called BU and found out that Ogas is not affiliated with the institution in any way and has been asked to stop using his BU website and email. (As Chameleon notes, though, this also means that their "research" has no supervision.) (thank you, [info]lydiabell!)

Meanwhile, Ogas has posted in his journal yet again with the subject line How is straight female interest in slash fiction like straight male interest in "shemales"? And why in the world does this matter? He's even included stuff from the Wikipedia article! (Except for the part where it notes that "shemale" is an offensive word "in LGBT communities" and "amongst transgender individuals" [quote marks because I lifted from Wikipedia directly]).

Comments so far include variations of "ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!?" and macros.

ETA8: Ogi's journal has gone into lockdown. But he apparently is unfamiliar with another law of fandom: You can't escape the screencaps. (others here, here, here, and I am sure a whole lot of other places. If there are important caps that aren't covered in these links, let me know) (ETA8.5: More here. Thanks, [info]selene_avis!)

[info]shaggirl says "I was wrong" and provides further evidence that these guys are assholes.

ETA9: Ogas apologizes. Interpret as you see fit.

ETA10: Ogas bahleetes his journal. Whether or not Gaddam follows suit remains to be seen.

btw, as of today (September 6), FanHistory's page on Ogas is the fifth result in Google, a post from [info]jonquil is tenth, and this post is fourteenth. The post on Ogas's journal with the RPS fic is nineteenth (and accessible via Google Cache!). /random info gleaned by Googling.



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[info]keri
2009-08-31 08:35 am UTC (link)
I love the question about the gender of the icon/avatar you use on LJ or LJ-type sites.


I TOTES USE A NAKED, DANCING DUDE WITH AN ELEPHANT-HEAD CENSOR BAR DOES THIS MEAN I LIKE TO PRESENT MYSELF AS A NAKED, DANCING DUDE WITH AN ELEPHANT-HEAD CENSOR BAR?

What about when I used a lobster as my default? I don't even know what sex that thing is, much less if it identifies as a particular gender:



Or or or what about LJ itself? For the last 4 years, I've used this shooting star icon as default, only I switched it out to a new, pink star a couple weeks ago.

I seem to have a 1:1:1 balance of guy:girl:huh? icons: what does it mean?!?!

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[info]jaseroque
2009-08-31 09:42 am UTC (link)
Seriously. I'm either a teeny tiny frog or a flying car.

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(no subject) - [info]keri, 2009-08-31 09:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2009-08-31 03:36 pm UTC

[info]bride_of_lister
2009-08-31 10:16 am UTC (link)
Judging by my icon tastes I'm either a Fish-bunny or a witty bit of text in silly font.

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totally irrelevant and yet at the same time, quite relevant indeed:
[info]notarose
2009-08-31 10:50 am UTC (link)
I always thought that was a bow, not an elephant, like his junk was somehow wrapped up like a present.

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Re: totally irrelevant and yet at the same time, quite relevant indeed: - [info]keri, 2009-08-31 10:55 am UTC
Re: totally irrelevant and yet at the same time, quite relevant indeed: - [info]notarose, 2009-08-31 10:57 am UTC
Re: totally irrelevant and yet at the same time, quite relevant indeed: - [info]keri, 2009-08-31 11:01 am UTC
Re: totally irrelevant and yet at the same time, quite relevant indeed: - [info]notarose, 2009-08-31 09:08 pm UTC
Re: totally irrelevant and yet at the same time, quite relevant indeed: - [info]keri, 2009-08-31 09:11 pm UTC
Re: totally irrelevant and yet at the same time, quite relevant indeed: - [info]notarose, 2009-08-31 09:30 pm UTC
Re: totally irrelevant and yet at the same time, quite relevant indeed: - [info]frequentmouse, 2009-08-31 10:45 pm UTC
Re: totally irrelevant and yet at the same time, quite relevant indeed: - [info]notarose, 2009-09-01 11:16 am UTC
Re: totally irrelevant and yet at the same time, quite relevant indeed: - [info]kaesa, 2009-09-01 05:29 am UTC
Re: totally irrelevant and yet at the same time, quite relevant indeed: - [info]evening_rose, 2009-09-02 03:30 am UTC

[info]sharps
2009-08-31 11:25 am UTC (link)
In that cast I'm Hikaru Sulu AND Pavel Chekov! I'm two! Two! Two men for the price of one.

Of course, on LJ I'm a semi-alcoholic Scottish bloke, or occasionally an ageing William Shatner, depending on my mood.

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(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-08-31 11:29 am UTC

[info]honorh
2009-08-31 11:26 am UTC (link)
My default icon on LJ has a pair of clasped hands, one male and one female, on it. What gender is that, pray tell?

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[info]jedi_dwh
2009-08-31 11:53 am UTC (link)
The icon I'm using here is my default LJ icon, stating that female Revan should be canon, even though Revan is canonically male. So does this mean I am a gender confused Sith Lord? If so, does that mean I can reach through the internet and Force-choke these people?

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(no subject) - [info]charamei, 2009-08-31 12:47 pm UTC

[info]issendai
2009-08-31 02:22 pm UTC (link)
That's an elephant? I always thought it was a piece of candy, which was pretty damn funny when you think of what it's covering up.

According to my default JF icon, I'm a black box full of letters.

...Which is true, actually. Do you know how hard it was to get a good picture for the school yearbook?

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(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-08-31 02:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]keri, 2009-08-31 07:37 pm UTC

[info]tiye
2009-08-31 03:49 pm UTC (link)
I am a tiny little wanking Egyptian god. Or a really grumpy looking Egyptian queen, on LJ. Sometimes I'm a yawning cat. So I'm either an aroused male deity, a cranky female human, or a neutered male cat. I must be so very confused about my gender identity and sexuality!

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[info]mmanurere
2009-08-31 04:46 pm UTC (link)
I'm the goddamn batman.

Or a catsnake. Or Dr. Manhattan. Or myself.

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[info]blue_penguin
2009-08-31 05:23 pm UTC (link)
My default icon on LJ is text-only. Clearly I like to present myself as... being made out of letters?

And I've no idea what gender this penguin is, either.

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[info]frequentmouse
2009-08-31 05:34 pm UTC (link)
If I were to reply to the survey, I'd use this icon Photobucket

But, really: my userpics at LJ are mostly of flowers, with a thick wodge of due South ones which were/are used with crack_van recs. And random phenomenon like the rainbow cast by a motel room peep-hole.

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[info]theladyfeylene
2009-08-31 05:44 pm UTC (link)
I am totally a magical, evil, shape shifting cartoon incarnation of David Bowie. Trufax.

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tree
2009-08-31 05:50 pm UTC (link)
I am in fact a sentient hurdy-gurdy, but I don't see what the study can do with this information. :(

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[info]rodo
2009-08-31 06:20 pm UTC (link)
I'm a rat with low self esteem. Or Chuck from Pushing Daisies. Or a bit of text that insults LJ.

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[info]mary_mac
2009-08-31 06:51 pm UTC (link)
All my icons that aren't me are of scenery or male characters. I wonder what that says about me. Apart form that I'm shallow as the proverbial puddle.

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[info]tachikoma01
2009-08-31 07:56 pm UTC (link)
I'm a personalized tank with the intelligence of a kindergardener and the voice of an adorable Japanese girl...

Damn, I'm a lolita robot. I've fallen right into their trap!

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[info]persona
2009-08-31 08:12 pm UTC (link)
I have over three hundred icons (when did that happen!?) on JF, which is the journaling site I use most frequently, of a wide range of characters that are male, female, both and other, along with real people, food, and objects, many of which have little in common with each other.

I'm not sure what that says about me, but I'm sure it's unflattering.

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[info]veleda_k
2009-08-31 10:12 pm UTC (link)
Oh yeah, you bet I'm Captain Jack.

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-09-01 01:21 pm UTC

[info]ianthefira
2009-08-31 10:26 pm UTC (link)
This gets hilarious since here and @LJ, my default icons are both sexless beings.

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[info]anonyrat
2009-09-01 01:12 am UTC (link)
My default icon on LJ is a CLOCK.

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[info]bobafeis
2009-09-01 01:15 am UTC (link)
I am indeed Darth Vader (or Darth Maul, or Emperor Palpatine... I'm a Sith Lord, at any rate), except when I am a dead guy in his bathtub, a planet, a cartoon bear, some snarky text, or a bunch of flowers. In fact, if you add in my LJ username, I represent myself most often as a French bunch of flowers.

Obviously, I am very confused.

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[info]fern_on_fen
2009-09-01 02:22 am UTC (link)
I'm words. On LJ, I'm Jeeves and Wooster. Does that mean I have split-personality disorder?

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incons and slashers
[info]dana
2009-09-01 02:25 am UTC (link)
A few years ago I was talking to a friend about icon, and gender of icon. I was wondering why I was a bit of the odd one. I'm mostly interested in m/m slash. But primarily all my icons are female, and a lot of slashers I've noticed, have male icons.

I tend to glomp onto a female character, something about them appeals to me, and I stick to that, with the odd male and misc icon thrown in.

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[info]irised
2009-09-01 10:24 am UTC (link)
Well, I'm ... uh ... ahem.

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(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2009-09-01 10:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2009-09-01 07:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nyoda, 2009-09-02 02:35 am UTC

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