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	hallidae 2009-08-31 11:18 pm UTC (link)
	Even ignoring the blatantly ragey parts, the sheer amount of schmoop on the part of the article writer makes me queasy. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	brennalarose 2009-08-31 11:24 pm UTC (link)
	"Instantly likable", my ass. (Reply to this)

keri
2009-08-31 11:27 pm UTC (link)

In short: The institution of marriage has always been between a man and a woman. Yes, there have been homosexual relationships. But no society that he knows of, in the history of the world, has ever condoned same-sex marriage. "Do they always agree on the number of partners? Do they always agree on the form of monogamy? No," Brown says, but they've all agreed on the gender issue. It's what's best for families, he says. It's the union that can biologically produce children, he says. It's all about the way things have always been done. He chose his new church, St. Catherine of Siena, because it still offers a Latin Mass. Other noted conservatives have been parishioners there; Antonin Scalia has worshiped at St. Catherine's.

Other than the appeal to tradition he's got going on, I feel like he's spouting some bad history, but I don't know enough right now to pinpoint where he's wrong. Like, I feel that there have been many cultures where two men or two women set up house and raised children together and were considered for all intents and purposes married, but I don't know enough to say where or when.

Oh denizens of JF, enlighten me?

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	agent_hyatt 2009-08-31 11:29 pm UTC (link)
	My ideal follow-up: One of those "precocious and sweet" kids comes home with a significant other of the same gender, or better, has already eloped with significant other and now reveals marriage to parents. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	wallflower 2009-08-31 11:40 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sorry, I got too distracted by the group's acronym to finish the article. OM NOM NOM NOM (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	inarticulate 2009-09-01 12:00 am UTC (link)
	"I get how [gays and lesbians] feel," she says. "I get that." No. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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cat_mcdougall
2009-09-01 12:31 am UTC (link)

The kids don't need Brian "walking in the door because he's another person. They need him because he's a man."

O_o

WTF?

My kids haven't had a "man" walking through any door in... Holy shit, 6 years? My daughter is in advanced classes in school. She reads in her spare time. She's learning, from a friend, how to put computers together from scratch. She's bright, beautiful, and takes care of her twin brother, and looks out for him.

My son has Downs, but he's smart, he's tenacious, he reads, he's empathetic, helpful, respectful, and worships his sister.

WTF do my kids need a man for?

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This'll cross the line twice, hopefuly. - redwarrior, 2009-09-02 10:31 pm UTC

	fevered_ego 2009-09-01 12:42 am UTC (link)
	I'm impressed that the article's writer managed to type that whole thing one-handed. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	doomsday 2009-09-01 12:54 am UTC (link)
	Jackson says Brown and NOM "have a sense of dignity about human beings. They simply believe that marriage between a man and a woman is the best for society. But they're not gay bashers." Well that's some fucking bullshit if I ever heard any. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	Icon strangely appropriate elektra3 2009-09-01 01:02 am UTC (link)
	I kind of loved this part: Two Million for Marriage, the organization's push to rally online activists around the country, was similarly unfortunate: Apparently no one at NOM had realized that 2M4M, the hip-sounding tag they'd chosen for the initiative, is also the abbreviation favored by gay couples looking for a threesome. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	cygnia 2009-09-01 01:22 am UTC (link)
	Novus Ordum Mundi, anyone? (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	esorlehcar 2009-09-01 01:26 am UTC (link)
	Hey, as long as the people trying to deny a minority group their basic human rights are nice about it... (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	the__ivorytower 2009-09-01 01:37 am UTC (link)
	"Sure, I totally support gay people getting married. I don't see why I should have to suffer alone." ^- a tongue-in-cheek comment from my boyfriend's dad. The whole family has a 'do what you will, but harm none' attitude. Sadly, we cannot contribute to your vote count, as we are from Canadia. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	jkefka 2009-09-01 02:26 am UTC (link)
	Ah, yes, lest we forget that there are also pleasant, rational, sane bigots in this world. Thank you, WSJ, for making that completely useless point. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	erototoxin 2009-09-01 02:30 am UTC (link)
	The gay marriage supporters have not met Brian Brown. Well, thanks for making that even more false than it was already! XD XD XD (Reply to this)

	senor_pinata 2009-09-01 02:50 am UTC (link)
	I hate that they have such a cute-sounding acronym. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	aaron_agonistes 2009-09-01 03:39 am UTC (link)
	After UCLA he accepted a position with the Family Institute of Connecticut, and worked to prevent the distribution of condoms in schools. If I make words they will be in capslock, so I'm going to step away from the computer now. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	come_love_sleep 2009-09-01 03:42 am UTC (link)
	It's just... "Oh, he's so sane! Perfectly sane. Entirely sane. Aside from the bit where he believes his neighbours are macaques." (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	lady_ganesh 2009-09-01 04:03 am UTC (link)
	My local news channel is now doing a piece on the gay marriages that will be happening in Vermont tomorrow. Suck it, haters. Also, Fred Phelps is coming to my state. Perhaps I should see if anyone has some extra cow manure. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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blue_penguin
2009-09-01 04:36 am UTC (link)

(I don't want to read the article again to find where he says this, so I can't quote exactly, but...) Okay, so maybe same-sex marriages weren't common before the modern era. You know what else wasn't? Marrying for love.

Wonder if he married his wife just to gain her property or pass on his family name. Because if not, then he's going against tradition! And that would be terrible. Marriage must mean the same thing and work the same way in all possible places and times and never ever change or be (gasp) redefined.

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	kijikun 2009-09-01 04:51 am UTC (link)
	I wonder if anyone has told him and his wife that the church used to look down on marriage and didn't want clergy in any way involved. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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also_not_a_pipe
2009-09-01 05:09 am UTC (link)

Ugh. I made it through the first couple of pages with just a few cynical snorts and then I came to

It is irrational when the opposition points to polls suggesting that most young people support gay marriage. "People mature," he says. Their views change.

and my brain immediately diverted all power to the ARGH FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU SMARMY CHEESEDICK BASTARD sector.

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	bandit 2009-09-01 06:17 am UTC (link)
	I feel like screaming again. D: (Reply to this)

	bof 2009-09-01 07:09 am UTC (link)
	Just the headline made me want to scream. HOW ABOUT NO (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	eilan 2009-09-01 07:13 am UTC (link)
	"The Human Rights Campaign is massive," Brown says, referring to the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender advocacy group. Wait, he even realizes this is a Human Rights issue? And then advocates against it? Maybe I am too sleepy, but this... wow. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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