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Dana ([info]dana) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2009-09-07 11:53:00


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Where are you from?
 This here doesn't make me angry, just sortave sad at the world.  A friend of mine who has been here since she was really little gets the same question asked of her all the time, and I keep thinking, being Australia isn't being white.   It never was.  It's an interesting article:

Finding a place to call home

Sekai Nzenza

It's difficult as a new arrival to feel that you belong when everyone questions where you are from.

I CAME to Australia to get civilisation and to find a home. Before coming here, I lived in an African village. In Zimbabwe. That was more than 20 years ago. Since then, I have tried to call Australia home. Sometimes I feel this is home. But just when I am beginning to feel Australian, a friendly person on the tram says, ''And where are you from, love?'' Sometimes the friendly person is specific: ''Which part of Africa are you from?'' Who wants to say they come from Zimbabwe these days? A bad name for a country should not stop it from being my home.

My mother said you can have as many homes as you want, but your real home will always be the place where your umbilical cord is buried. But I must remind my mother that children here are not born on the floors of a smoky little hut the way I was born. In civilised societies, children are born in hospitals; their umbilical cords go to the incinerator.

I used to think that when I got settled in Melbourne and was fully civilised, I would forget all about poverty, disease and my village past. This has not happened. I know where my umbilical cord is buried. I have memories of the mountains, the rivers, stars and moonlight so bright you could learn to read from it. Sounds of the faraway drum, the songs by the river when we danced naked on rocks and discovered our puberty.

Recently I was in San Diego explaining to my American friends why Africa is poor. Then I took a walk along the San Diego River to unwind. Rivers remember the good and the evil and are connected to the ancestral spirits of a place. That is what my mother used to say. ''Every time you see a river,'' she said, ''Think of home. Look at the reflection of yourself in the water, then go down and wash your face. That way, you connect with the land and the ancestors of that land.''

Along the river, I meet a man sitting on the bench with a full trolley. He says, ''Sit down for a while, it's too hot to keep walking.'' I sit next to him. ''I am Jerry, by the way.'' He has a warm handsome face and cannot be more than 50. He looks tired and has red blotches on his skin. His legs are swollen around the knees and his tummy is really big. In his trolley there is a rolled up sleeping bag, cream bucket with a yellow lid, thermos flask and a radio. At the bottom of the trolley is a small suitcase and what looks like saucepans and cutlery.

Unlike the other men with disturbed looks walking around, Jerry is nice, friendly and surprisingly articulate. He asks me where my home is. I say, Australia. And Jerry says, ''I love Australia. I have always wanted to go there.'' Most Americans I meet say that. Jerry does not ask me where I am originally from. Jerry tells me that he has always lived in San Diego. ''This is my home,'' he says.

Then he tells me about the Kumeyaay Native Americans who were here 9000 years ago. ''They were good hunters and fishermen, basket weavers, pottery makers and traders. Their lives were full of dance, songs, music and many social and religious events. We Europeans have not been here for long but look at how much damage we have done to the river.'' He worries about the survival of the rattlesnakes, sea birds, racoons and turtles inhabiting the water. ''Indigenous people treated the Earth with respect,'' he says. I tell Jerry that there were some similarities between the Kumeyaay Indians' way of life and my tribe in Africa and maybe with the Aboriginal people in Australia as well.

Jerry then asks me about the Aboriginal people; how they lived in the past, their religion and current economic conditions. I tell him that I know little about the Aboriginal people of Australia - except that they have bad living conditions. I also know that at some meetings, Australians acknowledge the Aboriginal owners of the land or they invite an Aboriginal person to welcome people to country. That is all I know.

Jerry says every afternoon he comes to sit on this bench. ''Once I had a job, a nice family and a home. Then I lost it all when I got ill. Depression.'' He joined several other homeless river dwellers on the banks of the San Diego River two years ago. He sleeps wherever he parks his trolley. When his health gets better, he says, he will find a job and maybe one day, if President Barack Obama does ''what's right for the homeless'', he will find a home.

A man walks past shaking his head from side to side. His T-shirt proclaims: ''I have been to the battlefront.'' Jerry tells me this is Dwayne. ''Nice fellow,'' he says. He never fought any war. ''Not in Iraq or Afghanistan.'' Another man with a bruise on his head comes along, laughing to himself, and sits next to us. I think it is time to leave and go to the bookshop across the river. Jerry says it was such a pleasure to meet me and that he is thinking of going to the bookshop himself later. ''If you are still there, we might catch up again,'' he says. Jerry will have to ask one of his tribesmen to care for the trolley while he is away.

I walk back and cross the San Diego River bridge. The next day I will be at Los Angeles International Airport boarding the plane back to Australia, the country that has given me most of my Western civilisation. And a home.

I should go down a river sometime soon, see a reflection of myself in the water and wash my face. And apologise for staying for so long without knowing and acknowledging the original owners of this land. Perhaps, their spirits will allow me to call Australia home.

Dr Sekai Nzenza is an author and international development consultant. Her last novel Songs to an African Sunset was published by Lonely Planet.


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[info]sablemouse
2009-09-07 03:24 am UTC (link)
I hate that question with a burning passion. I get it even though I was born here in Australia, raised here and never been out of the country. I mean, shouldn't my accent clue you in? I call Australia home because it's the only one I know. But strangers don't know that, only that I don't look Australian on the outside.

What do you think is a more acceptable alternative to "Where are you from?"? I think where is your family from is a bit better, but still can be a minefield.

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[info]dana
2009-09-07 03:50 am UTC (link)
What I usually do these days, is wait until I know the person reasonably well. Because I always have a burning curiousity to know things about people, and then, if I think that person will be OK and if I am still curious, 'What is your ancestry?'

I usually ask that of people with an Aussie accent, but if they have a foreign accent I ask 'Where were you born?'

But I don't ask that of someone I don't know, or as soon as I've been introduced to someone. This applies if they are white as well, and sound like they come from Europe.

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[info]fools_game
2009-09-07 04:31 am UTC (link)
I like "What is your heritage?"

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[info]ilya
2009-09-07 03:58 am UTC (link)
I don't find that question offensive at all, but I guess one's reaction to it is all relative. I'm Asian, and often get asked it because I have a very American accent that never escapes the notice of the Aussies. I always answer that I was based in the U.S for quite a while, but my family is originally from the Philippines. I'm very proud of my origin, and find that my answer often starts up a really good convo about what it's like in the U.S, or Manila.

I think people ask it to relate to others, and it's just a standard reaction to be curious about someone that is noticeably foreign in some way. I've asked it myself to uni friends as a starting off base in a convo, and no one has ever taken offense. If anything, they've always been really proud of where they're from and eager to tell me about their origins. I don't know...Maybe it depends on your experiences in your land of origin. If they were more positive, then of course you'd be happy to continue relating to country of origin, but if they were negative and you left to escape something, then I could see why you'd want to leave all of that behind.

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[info]dana
2009-09-07 04:06 am UTC (link)
I know a couple of people in my life who hate being asked that question, one of my friends told me that there is this underlying assumption of 'you're not Australian, you don't look Australian' underneath it.

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tree
2009-09-07 08:26 am UTC (link)
Maybe it depends on your experiences in your land of origin.

And the destination country, I'd say. I'm a resident in a country where people of my ethnicity are often maligned in the (crappy but well-read) press, and every time I get asked where I'm from I instinctively assume it has something to do with "us" being whatever the latest social malady is. Without that kind of a context I'd be much happier to be a curiosity.

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[info]magic_at_mungos
2009-09-07 06:35 pm UTC (link)
I get and I'm English (not as often as I get) but still enough to piss me off. I always get the underlying thing of No but where are you really from and because I'm not white means I'm not English.

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[info]inalasahl
2009-09-08 05:44 pm UTC (link)
I think people ask it to relate to others, and it's just a standard reaction to be curious about someone that is noticeably foreign in some way.
Well, I find the question offensive, but then I'm not "noticeably" foreign. Or foreign, at all. So, it pretty much drives me around the bend when people ask me where I'm from when the answer is "here."

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(no subject) - [info]inalasahl, 2009-09-08 05:46 pm UTC

[info]spacelogic
2009-09-07 05:18 am UTC (link)
I'm squirming over the idea that Africans can/should "get civilization" and assimilate into Euro-cultured society. Granted, Zimbabwe's in desperate straits and they have an evil government, but it seems like she's ashamed of her origins, and that can't be healthy. And I took a class recently that focused a lot on African history, so I keep thinking about how the colonial powers tried to program their subjects there, and wondering how long it'll be before the after-effects finally fade and being a black African is just a descriptor and not a mark of status or of being "uncivilized."

(Not that I'm saying Africa in general doesn't have huge problems in just about every area imaginable -- it decidedly does. And there are huge disadvantages to being born there, and to being from there, and I can understand why someone would not want to deal with those. I just worry about the sense of shame associated with African identity, is all.)

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[info]dana
2009-09-07 05:44 am UTC (link)
My mind interpreted it as 'a working infrastructure' as Zimbabwe is a war torn nation, so just like a lot of countries in those situations, the infrastructure would be shot, transport, hospitals, electricity, running clean water, schooling etc would be near to nothing.

So if you look at it like that, then she came to Australia so she could have access to those things. In a perfect world, I think everyone should have access to these things, no matter which part of the world they are in. But alas, not a perfect world.

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[info]rodo
2009-09-07 10:08 am UTC (link)
I'm squirming over the idea that Africans can/should "get civilization" and assimilate into Euro-cultured society.

I'm squirming too, mostly because of her choice of words. I'm studying Japanese and we had a lot of courses on topics concerning the Japanese identity as an industrialised/first-world country in Asia and the problems that arise when people equate modern with Western. For a time, some Japanese people worked hard to erase everything Japanese about them in order to modernize the country. They simply thought the only way to become "civilized" was to adopt every tiny aspect of Western culture.

As a result, I hate it when people use "civilized" as a synonym for "Western". There's nothing inherently unmodern about defining "home" as the place where you were born, it just proves how inadequate the English language is when it comes to differing between the concepts behind the word.

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[info]herongale
2009-09-07 02:33 pm UTC (link)
I don't think she's ashamed of her origins so much as conflicted about her identity, particularly since as an Australian, she is now associated with the colonialists who are edging out the aboriginal people there.

The point of that article seemed to be, to me, that it took her meeting a mentally ill homeless person in San Diego to teach her about her own privilege and to teach her about her obligations both to her native home and her adopted one. The point was that we're none of us all that different; she felt a connection to that man which transcended race or identity and went straight to the heart of something important: that each one of us, whoever we are and whatever we are and wherever we are, longs for a connection to the land. But the way to find that connection to the land is by accepting that everyone who lives in one place together has that same connection, and to honor those connections equally, so that no one feels excluded or alone.

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(no subject) - [info]dana, 2009-09-07 11:23 pm UTC

[info]chibi_chan
2009-09-07 06:17 am UTC (link)
A question just as annoying as the "Where are you from?" one is "What are you mixed with?" Because it is almost always followed with "I knew it! I figured you were mixed because your hair is straight/your skin is light/*insert other stereotype here*".

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[info]hyeri
2009-09-07 09:10 am UTC (link)
I was at a friend's engagement party and had someone come up to me (who I'd never met before and didn't know from Adam) and say 'Where are you from? Why do you have such pale skin and eyes and yet such dark hair?' and I just stared at her. (and muttered something about how it must be because my dad's side is Cornish/Scots/English and my mum's is Irish/Scots/English mixed with First Nations (Canadian). She seemed very confused and my friend was most apologetic (and appalled at the woman's nerve...))

I still hate getting the 'where are you from?' because I'm not from anywhere here. I live in the Republic of Ireland. I am from Canada. People don't seem to understand that to me, there is a distinction/difference.

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[info]jaseroque
2009-09-07 09:17 am UTC (link)
I live in Australia but have an American accent courtesy of my father, and so I get this question a lot too. I supposed the important difference -- because I am the whitest whitebread that ever whited -- is that when I tell them I'm Australian, they accept that at face value. People still want to know how the hell the accent came about, but there's no suggestion that I'm being untruthful by saying I'm an Australian. I just become an Aussie with a weird accent -- which is exactly what I am.

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[info]minibalrogmum
2009-09-07 10:18 am UTC (link)
I'm reminded of a Norwegian advert that ran on TV a few years ago.

A guy gets in a cab. The driver is black, so the guy takes on a tone like he was being nice and slightly condecending to a kid and asks: "Where are you from?"

In utterly perfect Northern Norwegian accent the cab driver answers: "I'm from Harstad. Where are you from?" (Harstad is indeed a town up north.)

Guy, now properly deflated, mutters about being from some other Norwegian town.

I think the ad won an award. I just like it. Also, Harstad is awesome place.

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[info]bienegold
2009-09-07 01:31 pm UTC (link)
I really can't believe people ask this kind of question. I understand wanting to ask, but the lack of tact really astounds (and I'm not known for my tactfulness).

I'm certainly curious about where some of my customers are from, particularly if I can't identify their accent and/or if their names are ambiguous.

But I don't ask, because I'm not an asshole (in this particular arena, anyway).

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[info]pathology_doc
2009-09-07 01:42 pm UTC (link)
With a recent influx of black Africans from places like Somalia coming into Australia, one could be forgiven for assuming a particular black African is a recent arrival.

Who wants to say they come from Zimbabwe these days?

Someone who is very clear on the distinction between (a) the country they were born in, love, and are proud of and (b) the tyrannical monster who is currently ruining it.

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[info]kookaburra
2009-09-07 02:13 pm UTC (link)
I might be totally off base, but is strangers being super nosy about your heritage an Australian thing? Because my paying job is in a hotel, and nearly EVERY TIME an Australian guest talks to me, they end up grilling me about my heritage. (I'm in the US)

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[info]atdelphi
2009-09-07 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Here in Canada, I always get, "Where is your family from?" Which seems to be code for 'You look like you might not be completely white and I have a burning need to know which box to put you in.' And it always frustrates people to no end when I name places in Canada even when they ask me to go further and further back, until they finally clue in that I have black hair because my mother is Metis. Newsflash: your country is not by default white, and non-white people owe you no explanation of why they're here.

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[info]frequentmouse
2009-09-07 07:42 pm UTC (link)
In a very uncomfortable way, this falls under "stuff white people like." Case at point: long ago, I was living in a cooperative house in the U District. One night at dinner, the conversation moved from food traditions to geneology, as it can easily do. We talked about our various diasoporas, Swedish, Irish, Bohemian, Polish- and then the lease holder, Boeing Engineer, banjo-player, said "I'm from North Carolina" which, true- his first generation Chinese American father was a professor at Duke. He'd talked freely about his distant cousin in the International District who kept inviting him to dinner and introducing him to "nice Chinese Girls" and other aspects of how his life was different, but when it came to saying where inChina his family had started from,even in conversation where everyone else was talking about their origins, that was the unaskable question.



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[info]virgo
2009-09-09 04:11 pm UTC (link)
I remember I was at the bank one time (I live in South Carolina) and an older lady was in front of me asking the teller where she was from, because she was dark-skinned and was wearing a scarf over her hair. The teller was just like "I'm a Yankee" and you could tell the old lady was annoyed but she left without asking anything else. I was amused.

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[info]zyna_kat
2009-09-09 09:20 pm UTC (link)
At my neighborhood bar, I get asked "where are you from" all the time. I'm white, and was born, raised, and have lived in the same general area all my life. Apparently I sound more like a Canadian than a Michiganian. In any event, I've taken to answering, "From the condo complex down the road." My favorite response, "Well, at least you're not from OHIO!"

Otherwise, at work and with my friends, the question rarely comes up, no matter what the person looks like or sounds like. Probably because nearly everyone is from somewhere else--you're an oddball if you didn't travel halfway around the world to get here. I'm "suspect" until people find out my parents were immigrants, and the family is quite new here, so I become an honorary "not from around here". The subject usually comes up when we're all talking about holidays and vacations - people mention they're going to Beijing or Iran or Sri Lanka, etc, to visit family.

In any event--interesting post, and discussion. I will make a point to be extra sensitive about issue from now on.

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[info]platedlizard
2009-09-20 08:19 am UTC (link)
Well, this is actually a pretty common topic of conversation between strangers in my experience, no matter the race. At least in the US. I remember camping one time in Idaho and talking to the family who was camped next to us. We asked where they were from, and it turned out they lived about a quarter mile from us. Asking where your family is from is also pretty common, again no matter the race or accent. Most people have no problem naming the countries their family immigrated from, so that's generally another safe topic to chat about with strangers. Maybe it's different in Australia, I don't know, when I visited I got asked that a lot, but then it was pretty obvious I was an American tourist so I expected it. But this is really one of the topics that comes up quite a bit.

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