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sevendeadlyfun ([info]sevendeadlyfun) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2008-06-07 10:43:00
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Where is it written that women are their own worst allies? Judith Warner writes scathingly (and with reason) against the media's treatment of Senator Clinton's candidacy. Somehow, this becomes fused with the horror of the Sex and the City movie, which she decries as coated "in Blahniks and Westwood, and yummy men and yummier real estate, and squeakingly desperate girl cheer." Sex and the City is responsible for Senator Clinton's failure to capture the Democratic nomination. Well, that and us horrible bitches who actually enjoy that disgust tripe. It seems that in this case, fandom really is srs bzness...


The comments are mostly of the IAWTC type, and some are calls to action but a few are...unfunny.

Barack Obama? Strictly eye candy!

Those Sex and the City bitches? So unfeminist that I believe they're men in drag!

Feel free to choose motherhood? Your choices are not okay!

Misogyny in America? I call bullshit!

There are lots more comments of the teeth-gnashing variety but I just couldn't slog through them. There were great comments with real Earth Logic™ in them, too but sadly too few and far between.

Edited to fix borked HTML.

I'm hoping I did this correctly and will escape the terror of needing to lurk moar.

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[info]rowleyorama
2008-06-07 03:37 pm UTC (link)
As a middle aged white male

I should've just stopped there because there's really no way a start like that is going to end with my face not going D8 at the computer screen.

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[info]limyaael
2008-06-07 03:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm waiting for the day I actually read a comment that begins like that and ends with, "And these are the ways in which I am going to challenge my own privilege and try to change my perspective."

I'm not holding my breath for that day, mind.

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(no subject) - [info]rowleyorama, 2008-06-07 04:03 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2008-06-07 09:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2008-06-07 11:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2008-06-08 01:26 pm UTC

[info]fantine
2008-06-07 03:56 pm UTC (link)
I'd like a spamfilter that filters comments containing that line out. That line, and "I have a lot of [insert minority here] friends, but..."

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2008-06-07 09:13 pm UTC

[info]ms_treesap
2008-06-07 04:02 pm UTC (link)
That article's refreshing after reading this chunk of fail about the SATC movie. Seriously, it made me want to like the franchise D:

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[info]rowleyorama
2008-06-07 04:04 pm UTC (link)
I can't get past the "alexander cockburn" at the top.

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(no subject) - [info]fantine, 2008-06-07 04:15 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]fantine, 2008-06-08 11:15 am UTC

[info]sevendeadlyfun
2008-06-07 04:09 pm UTC (link)
Wow. I can actually feel him patting me on the head. He has mad internet condescension skills. Like whoa, even.

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[info]fantine
2008-06-07 04:13 pm UTC (link)
That made me think I might actually like the film.

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[info]shinga
2008-06-07 04:21 pm UTC (link)
I wonder what that guy thinks of women who sit around having the "I'm this Star Wars character" "no you're THIS one, totally" debates. Because that's the ones I and my female friends have. Would that blow his mind or what?

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(no subject) - [info]fantine, 2008-06-07 04:25 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]fantine, 2008-06-08 11:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]stromatolite, 2008-06-08 06:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-06-08 02:46 pm UTC
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[info]krazycat
2008-06-07 07:13 pm UTC (link)
This was like Gone with the Wind of female movies in terms of length.

There's so many things wrong with this sentence that I don't know where to start.

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[info]spacelogic
2008-06-07 07:44 pm UTC (link)
“The women literally shrieked during the opening!”

Unlike... the people who cheered the opening of each Harry Potter movie, or the Hitchhiker's Guide movie, or just about any movie based on something popular/cult ever? (I saw Star Trek II in a theater recently. The whole audience yelled "KHAAAN!" at the same time -- but that's okay because everyone knows Trekkies are male, right?)

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2008-06-07 09:15 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2008-06-07 10:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blue_penguin, 2008-06-09 08:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]alexielnet, 2008-06-13 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shinga, 2008-06-07 11:48 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2008-06-08 03:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]youngcurmudgeon, 2008-06-10 07:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2008-06-08 01:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sevendeadlyfun, 2008-06-08 01:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2008-06-08 01:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2008-06-08 03:17 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]krazycat, 2008-06-08 11:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pariforma, 2008-06-09 07:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lots42, 2008-06-09 11:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2008-06-09 12:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-06-08 02:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]queencallipygos, 2008-06-09 06:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ariadne484, 2008-06-10 12:56 am UTC

[info]sparkthatbled
2008-06-08 12:28 am UTC (link)
Man, I wonder what he would think about Cynthia Nixon dating a woman...

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[info]blue_penguin
2008-06-09 08:41 am UTC (link)
Oh wow, I like his sweeping generalizations about women, there.

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Not sure I'm up to reading the actual wank, but . . .
[info]tiye
2008-06-07 05:13 pm UTC (link)
You called for boobies?

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Re: Not sure I'm up to reading the actual wank, but . . .
[info]sevendeadlyfun
2008-06-07 05:20 pm UTC (link)
I did indeed! Nothing can offset the unfunny like boobs. The sight of a beautiful breast can temporarily lift even the wankiest of...spirits. :)

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Re: Not sure I'm up to reading the actual wank, but . . . - [info]deliciouschaos, 2008-06-07 05:26 pm UTC
Re: Not sure I'm up to reading the actual wank, but . . . - [info]kijikun, 2008-06-07 05:31 pm UTC
Re: Not sure I'm up to reading the actual wank, but . . . - [info]fantine, 2008-06-07 06:04 pm UTC
Re: Not sure I'm up to reading the actual wank, but . . . - [info]midnight_hawk, 2008-06-07 06:08 pm UTC
Re: Not sure I'm up to reading the actual wank, but . . . - [info]moonjaguar, 2008-06-07 08:12 pm UTC
Re: Not sure I'm up to reading the actual wank, but . . . - [info]sneer, 2008-06-08 03:26 am UTC

[info]frequentmouse
2008-06-07 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Speaking as an older white woman who has never voted for anything except a Democratic presidential candidate since 1972, I find the least feminist position at all to be the one that tells me I have to life Hillary Clinton because she's a woman.

I voted for Bill twice because the other choice was repugnant, but the whole DLC bunch turns me off because I think they're cryptorepublicans. I saw a video of Hillary's commencement speech when she graduated from Wellsely and was turned off by her unthinking white bourgois privilege. I dislike her voice equally with all the nasal midwesterners between the Cascades and the Alleghenies.

Feminism does not obligate me to vote for women I think are too conservative to represent me; pragmatism would have obligated me to choose her over McCain.

Thank you, I'll mop up now.

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[info]sevendeadlyfun
2008-06-07 07:05 pm UTC (link)
I find the least feminist position at all to be the one that tells me I have to life Hillary Clinton because she's a woman.

Yes. This. Exactly! There's this assumption that there is such a thing as "the women vote", as if women were all exactly alike and thus all vote the same way. And since that's true, we all "owe" our votes to Senator Clinton. Yanno, cuz she's a chick too. Not voting for her is grounds to lose your womanity, apparently.

*grabs a spare mop*


Sorry. I get frustrated with many feminists because the idea of choice seems to translate to doing things one certain and approved way or being labeled as anti-feminist (setting back the women's movement, etc...). Somehow, I think that's doing it wrong.

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(no subject) - [info]dreamer_marie, 2008-06-07 11:40 pm UTC

[info]coffee_mug
2008-06-07 07:56 pm UTC (link)
I don't think the article was arguing "women who didn't vote for Hilary aren't feminist!", it was more pointing the misogynist tones in so many of the statements by media and some people who opposed her views.

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(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2008-06-07 10:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annaham, 2008-06-07 11:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2008-06-08 03:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zyna_kat, 2008-06-08 12:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2008-06-08 10:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2008-06-08 01:29 pm UTC

[info]moonjaguar
2008-06-07 08:30 pm UTC (link)
(steals! with substitutions which apply to me)

Speaking as [a middle-aged] white woman who has voted for [almost all Democratic presidential candidates since 1984 (less a couple non-partisan write-ins)], I find the least feminist position at all to be the one that tells me I have to like Hillary Clinton because she's a woman.

(/end steal)

May the "if you don't support Clinton you're a misogynist who doesn't want a female president" and "if you don't support Obama you're a racist who doesn't want a black president" and other related idiocy stop soon. It's no-win for no one and hurts my anti-political brain.

(now where the hell are all the mops?)

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2008-06-07 09:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-06-07 09:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2008-06-07 10:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ellensmithee, 2008-06-07 11:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]redwarrior, 2008-06-13 08:05 pm UTC

[info]maegwin_of_hern
2008-06-07 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Feminism does not obligate me to vote for women I think are too conservative to represent me

Same reason why I didn't want Angela Merkel as German chancellor. I don't like her politics, and that's all.

After she was elected, people were interviewed who said that they didn't want her as chancellor because as a woman she wouldn't be fit for the job. Wrong reason, idiots!

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[info]queencallipygos
2008-06-08 03:58 am UTC (link)
Yes. This.

Look, I would LOVE for there to be a woman for president. I just do not want that woman to be HILLARY, is all.



And anyway, the person I really wanted for the Dem candidate was Dodd, but he dropped out.

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(no subject) - [info]miss_padfoot, 2008-06-08 05:42 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]queencallipygos, 2008-06-08 03:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2008-06-13 02:36 am UTC

[info]notjo
2008-06-07 09:28 pm UTC (link)
Why can so few people in the U.S. discuss sexism without comparing it to racism, and declaring "sexism is worse"?

No one wins.

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[info]daemonitellama
2008-06-07 10:37 pm UTC (link)
Maybe for the same reason we can't get over the "Well I'M more OPPRESSED then you are" argument. Oppression sucks from all angles, for everyone. :/

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(no subject) - [info]sevendeadlyfun, 2008-06-08 01:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2008-06-08 03:12 am UTC

[info]jupiterpluvius
2008-06-08 03:15 am UTC (link)
I think that there are still enough people who remember things like Stokely Carmichael's 1963 comment (when asked about the position of women in the SNCC, he said, "Prone").

Also, 51% of the people in the US are womenz; less than 40% of people in the US identify themselves as members of a racial, linguistic, ethnic, or cultural minority group. This is even more true of the older segments of the population, which are even more disproportionately made up of the folks who check off the "white, non-Hispanic" boxes on the US Census. So statistically, there may just be more people who experience sexism first-hand than who experience racism first-hand.

None of which is to excuse any of this Oppression Olympics nonsense, of course. Because it's nonsense, start to finish. Just some demographic observations.

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(no subject) - [info]ariadne484, 2008-06-10 12:50 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ariadne484, 2008-06-10 12:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2008-06-08 08:46 pm UTC

[info]queencallipygos
2008-06-08 04:04 am UTC (link)
The thing with all the hand-wringing about the sexism/misogyny/etc. over Hillary's campaign has always just struck me as the wrong approach. Do I think it's fair that Hillary's being slagged for being a woman? Of course not. But I also don't think any of the "McCain is old" jokes are strictly fair either, nor are the "Bush is dumb" jokes technically fair, nor were the "Quayle is dumber" jokes, or...but that's politics. Mean kindergarten-level jokes about your opponents are par for the course.

Now, if I were running and I got that kind of misogyny thrown at me, it strikes me the best way to handle it would be with a smirk and, "huh, you're not attacking my policies, so you must agree with me on them. Keen! So if all you got against me is the fact that I have tits, well, then, that's your problem...." The hand-wringing over the misogyny just seemed a mis-step.

....Anyway.

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[info]lots42
2008-06-09 11:01 am UTC (link)
Choice wank. Urgh.

"YAY FEMINISM!"
"I choose...housework!"
"NOOOOAAAAOOO!"

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