sandglass
2009-10-26 03:59 pm UTC (link)

That Law and Order episode made me want to throw things. For those of you that didn't see it, rather than having his stand in be the upstanding doctor that he was, they had him botch an abortion so that it ended in a live baby, and then at the behest of the mother, kill it by stabbing it in the head with a scissor.

They also had some of the pro-choice witnesses go crazy on the stand, just so that it wouldn't be too biased against the pro-lifers.

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	maev_connacht 2009-10-26 04:07 pm UTC (link)
	Auuuuugh. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ariadne484 2009-10-26 04:11 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, that just infuriates me -- I know people who worked with him. I can just imagine everyone watching the episode thinking such shenanigans were tamed down, too, rather than made up from whole cloth. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sandglass 2009-10-26 04:15 pm UTC (link)
	It's ridiculously offensive to his memory to be pulling that barely four months after this assassination. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hallidae 2009-10-26 04:35 pm UTC (link)
	I shouldn't be too surprised, considering what they did with the Valerie Plame case, but this still pisses me off. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	fern_on_fen 2009-10-26 06:37 pm UTC (link)
	I never saw the Valerie Plame case episode. Care to fill me in? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	hallidae 2009-10-26 07:01 pm UTC (link)
	They switched the party allegiances around and pretty heavily altered all personalities involved, so we ended up with the Purity Sue daughter of a Republican senator being outed by a Democrat who was just shy of being Satan himself. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faultypremise 2009-10-26 04:36 pm UTC (link)
	I am glad I missed that episode. Because I normally enjoy that show. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	eleutheria 2009-10-27 01:15 am UTC (link)
	Me too, this makes me sad. And I really thought the Mothership was getting pretty good these days. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kijikun 2009-10-26 05:25 pm UTC (link)
	O_O THE FUCK!?!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	persona 2009-10-26 05:28 pm UTC (link)
	Are you fucking kidding me? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sandglass 2009-10-26 07:23 pm UTC (link)
	Not even a little, there are probably some more heinous things I've forgotten. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	spudsey 2009-10-26 05:52 pm UTC (link)
	asdfjkhaslksdjhfaksdhfalsdfwaaaaaaa DX (Reply to this)(Parent)

	luxshine 2009-10-26 08:23 pm UTC (link)
	Ok, that suprises me. Usually SVU is very pro-choice... (Of course, I might be uninformed, as most of the cases they rip from the headlines aren't that well known in Mexico) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sandglass 2009-10-26 08:27 pm UTC (link)
	This wasn't SVU, it was original L&O. It wasn't overall anti-choice, but some of their choices to sensationalize it were, uh, fucking bullshit. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	luxshine 2009-10-27 12:01 am UTC (link)
	OH! Then I can understand it better. Even not knowing the original cases, it's obvious that L&O tends to pull a lot of incomprehensible situations (See, the scientology episode) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bigbigtruck 2009-10-26 04:04 pm UTC (link)
	Army of God This phrase frightens me a lot. A LOT. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	darksumomo 2009-10-26 05:30 pm UTC (link)
	Join, dark_christian on LJ. You'll be even more scared. Speaking of which, is anyone else here a member of that community? This news item is right up their alley. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	persona 2009-10-26 06:00 pm UTC (link)
	Yep, I'm a member. It is indeed - I'll have to check to see if someone else has already posted. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	thoms 2009-10-26 06:30 pm UTC (link)
	I want to join, but it's closed. I have a patient that's biiiiiigggg into these scary "prophecy experts" like, you know, Jack Van Impe grrrargh! and I'd like to see if there's anything more about him there. But I cannot join. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

keri
2009-10-26 10:23 pm UTC (link)

You should be able to join by messaging one of the mods if there isn't a "click this link to send a request" thing on the comm's profile page. AFAIK they accept most people who want to join, but the closed membership is because of wanting to avoid trolls and also something to do with the 2008 US election and wanting to avoid trouble from the very people the posts are about.

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	darksumomo 2009-10-27 03:45 am UTC (link)
	I'm friends with two of the mods--berkeleyfarm and dogemperor. Get ahold of them and use me for a reference. If that doesn't work, you can join nebris's dominionism community. He's recruiting. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	thoms 2009-10-28 05:39 am UTC (link)
	Thank you. I'll do that in the morning when I'm awake. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bigbigtruck 2009-10-26 06:32 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, I already know (s'why I boycott Hobby Lobby, among other things). It still gives me the goosebumps every time I see it written out. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	fern_on_fen 2009-10-26 06:38 pm UTC (link)
	Wait, what does Hobby Lobby do? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snarkhunter 2009-10-26 06:55 pm UTC (link)
	I'd like to know, too--though I'm already suspicious, since they play hymns over the loudspeakers in their store... ::shudder:: (And I'm a Christian!) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

keri
2009-10-26 10:21 pm UTC (link)

And they're closed on Sunday!

Check the comment I just posted in response to

fern_on_fen for some links. I recommend reading

dogemperor's journals over at DailyKos, though he posts more at other sites lately, as he's working with folks on research and the like for a book. (It was leaked that the guy who runs the Military Religious Freedom Association, I think it's called? was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for 2010, and in the press release, the book was mentioned, along with

dogemperor's pseudonym with regards to the research.)

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keri
2009-10-26 10:18 pm UTC (link)

Link 1: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/23/82357/4096/843/361219

Link 2: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/7/163753/4705/414/452169

Link 3: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/28/145718/12/503/415452

I recommend reading the entire "Parallel Economy" series that

dogemperor posted to DailyKos a couple years ago. It's pretty crazy.

Anyway, story shorter, Hobby Lobby is owned by Dominionist groups and their profits are used to help fund right-wing religious shit. Remember the Jesus Camp documentary? Or Sarah Palin's church (and the witch-hunter who "anointed" her)? That's the kind of stuff that they give money to, because the owner is part of the Third Wave movement. Plus, they've done some pretty despicable stuff towards employees and they have had no qualms in the past about discriminating against people who aren't whitebread and Christian (at least, when it comes to employees).

By the way, Chik-Fil-A is a similar company, though I haven't heard of as much discrimination from them, though the managers are apparently encouraged to be Christian and to convert employees who aren't. (Not in all locations, though.)

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	bigbigtruck 2009-10-26 11:52 pm UTC (link)
	Truett Cathy was a big donor to my alma mater. It was pretty much his call that there was no GLBTQ student organization allowed on campus. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	keri 2009-10-26 11:57 pm UTC (link)
	So good of him, really. -.- But, yeah, seeing your comment, I realized that I wasn't clear. When I said "I haven't heard of as much discrimination", I should've emphasized the as much, but that's still miles away more than what I've heard of from companies that aren't run by people like this. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faultypremise 2009-10-27 01:52 am UTC (link)
	There is also a rumor out here (I live in Kansas) that they also fund Fred Phelps and his ilk. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	keri 2009-10-27 01:55 am UTC (link)
	It'd be pretty horrible if that's true. I wouldn't have expected that, because I was under the impression that even the Dominionists think Phelps is wackaloon, even if they secretly agree with what he says. (Or, I guess, what I'm saying is they don't agree with how outspoken and antagonistic he is? or so I thought) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	faultypremise 2009-10-27 02:12 am UTC (link)
	I'd have to go search up the articles, but someone where I work was pretty adamant about it (is why she will never shop there). (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

smashingstars
2009-10-29 04:22 am UTC (link)

I'm pretty sure it's just rumor. Dominionists aren't keen on the Phelps'. They both hate Teh Ghey, but Dominionists tend to toe the "we can fix the gay right outta ya" attitude while WBC is... well, you know. The Greens also take great pains to hide who they finance, and I doubt that they'd even try to support WBC if they're that scared of the public finding out what they do. They're already forever linked with the whole Oral Roberts University thing.

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faultypremise
2009-10-27 02:11 am UTC (link)

... oh man. I had friends who I lost track of about ten years ago who were devote Amway types. They tried to bring me into it but I couldn't get into it. I just had this ... I dunno, they made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. I went to some of their conventions and just saw the way they did things and backed away slowly.

Then I ran. Haven't seen or talked to them in years. They were in Yeager's line.

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	brennalarose 2009-10-26 04:58 pm UTC (link)
	growl (Reply to this)

	spudsey 2009-10-26 05:54 pm UTC (link)
	Pardon me for a moment. I need to go and scream until my throat bleeds. (Reply to this)

lundy
2009-10-26 10:45 pm UTC (link)

I'm from Kansas, and though I hope this doesn't sound too self-centered, I just have to say that Tiller's murder absolutely broke my heart. Also, they caught the bastard outside of my hometown because that stretch of the highway is, like, perfect for cops to hide out on or something. Small comfort, I know.

Also, come on, L&O. I love ya, and this may just be my bias showing, but whyyyy did you have to sensationalize this case? :( :( :( (Although I've heard that two characters on the show mention in that episode how adamantly pro-choice they are, and they're my two favorite characters already, so. Yeah.) Then again, I suppose L&O shouldn't be taken to fully represent actual cases in the first place.

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	eris 2009-10-27 12:30 am UTC (link)
	That episode of L&O made me rage more than I've ever raged about TV shows before. (Reply to this)

	wrenlet 2009-10-27 12:46 am UTC (link)
	Salon's Broadsheet has a column about the L&O ep. I warn, it made want to start punching people IN THE FACE. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	faultypremise 2009-10-27 02:18 am UTC (link)
	You know, L&O did at one point have an ep that was pretty pro-choice, or at least stuck it to some lady who had bombed an abortion clinic and killed a young pregnant girl. This is why this ep disturbs me so. D: Did they hire some conservative writer? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sandglass
2009-10-27 05:19 am UTC (link)

L&O is generally pretty even, as far as I can remember. They've got both sides better arguments: the government has no right to legislate women's bodies, and some pregnancies are just bad, matched with the fact that privacy wasn't in the Constitution so it's not really a right that Roe v. Wade should be based on. It's pretty easy to make a balanced episode based around abortion. This? Not so fucking much.

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	sandglass 2009-10-27 05:16 am UTC (link)
	That episode is so much worse than I remembered it. Also, man, Kate Harding is awesome. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	staroverthebay 2009-10-27 01:01 pm UTC (link)
	Soooo.... what part of that commandment "Thou shalt not kill" do these people not quite understand? (Reply to this)

staroverthebay
2009-10-28 03:14 am UTC (link)

Dunno if anyone else posted this or not, but eBay says "No way" to the auctions to raise money.

If the items were posted, eBay said it would remove them from the online marketplace site because the company "does not allow listings that promote or glorify violence, hate, racial or religious intolerance.

"We do not allow items that encourage, promote or instruct others to engage in illegal activity and will not be a platform for those who promote violence toward others," the company statement said.

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	faultypremise 2009-10-28 11:35 pm UTC (link)
	That's good to hear. Way to go eBay. (Reply to this)(Parent)