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Faulty Premise ([info]faultypremise) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2009-11-04 10:26:00


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From the wtf? files.
Guy buys lotto ticket that is a $1 million dollar winner. Not realizing this, goes to the store he bought it from and asks the clerk to scan it. Clever clerk does so, realizes this is the $1 million winner and tells the guy it's only worth a few bucks.

The clerk then goes to the lotto office and claims the prize, which came to about $750k after taxes. Then flees to Nepal. The Texas lotto, despite the fact that the guy who stole it has been indicted and is being sought on charges, has declared that the thief is the rightful winner.

What a mess.



A Texas county has indicted a store clerk for allegedly stealing a winning $1 million lottery ticket, but the state lottery commission tells the original buyer that it considers the clerk to be the winner and won't pay up, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports.

Commission officials told Willis Willis, 67, of Grand Prairie, Tex., that they consider the clerk, Pankaj Joshi, the rightful winner because Joshi signed and redeemed the ticket as required, Willis' attorney says.

But Joshi has been indicted in Travis County on charges of claiming a lottery prize by fraud. Prosecutors hope to give Willis about $365,000 they seized from Joshi's bank accounts, the paper says.

Joshi, clerk at the store where Willis bought the ticket in May, didn't let on that it was the big winner when he scanned Willis' tickets two days later, authorities say.

Joshi later cashed it in, receiving $750,000 after taxes, and apparently returned to his native Nepal, the paper says.

A spokesman for the lottery commission declined to comment, the paper says.


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[info]jira
2009-11-04 04:41 pm UTC (link)
How the fuck can they say the thief is the rightful owner?

Oh my GOD. Dear Texas officials, get your heads out of your ass!

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[info]hallidae
2009-11-04 04:57 pm UTC (link)
So even though he's been CHARGED WITH THEFT, which seems to me would automatically make the win illegal as well, he gets to keep the money that he basically stole? How does that even begin to make sense?

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[info]quantumreality
2009-11-04 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Oh, that's... *grrrr*

I'd be feeling pretty damn-all P.O'ed if someone ripped me off like that. Good luck for Willis, hope he can get some of that cash.

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[info]wanktastic
2009-11-04 05:33 pm UTC (link)
The ticket buyer should get the money not only because it was his damn ticket but because he's lived for 67 years with the name Willis Willis. That poor man. D:

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[info]kumquat_of_doom
2009-11-04 10:12 pm UTC (link)
I was mates with a guy called William Williams in school. It's actually not incredibly uncommon over here (UK), but it is unusual.

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[info]the__ivorytower
2009-11-04 10:25 pm UTC (link)
I believe my great-uncle's real name is William Robert Williams (aka, Uncle Robbie).

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[info]kumquat_of_doom
2009-11-04 11:32 pm UTC (link)
Hee. Will was (and is - I only left school three years ago) just... well, Will. To my knowledge, he never really got the mickey taken for it particularly, either.

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[info]the__ivorytower
2009-11-04 11:39 pm UTC (link)
My uncle is John William, but because of the rather ridiculous number of Johns in my family, he was always "Wil".

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[info]kumquat_of_doom
2009-11-04 11:42 pm UTC (link)
*nods* We've got a lot of people called Will around my way, as it happens - but more called Tom. Especially when it comes to people about my age, there are so many Toms it isn't even funny. The joke at my school was that if you yelled 'Tom and Bethan!' (my name, as it happens) loud enough, the entire school would turn up.

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[info]kumquat_of_doom
2009-11-04 11:43 pm UTC (link)
...And wow, there was a lot of repetition in that comment.

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[info]derryderrydown
2009-11-05 04:49 pm UTC (link)
I think we may have the same great-uncle... Scouse?

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[info]the__ivorytower
2009-11-05 05:10 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure what 'Scouse' means, but if you're a 'something-Macaulay', we're related. :3

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[info]rhosyn_du
2009-11-05 12:31 am UTC (link)
I once knew a guy named Dick Dickson.

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[info]undomielregina
2009-11-05 01:31 am UTC (link)
I'll confess to giggling when I read your comment. I appear to be 12.

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[info]quantumreality
2009-11-05 03:34 pm UTC (link)
OT: Your icon, it is pleasing to look at. :)

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[info]mistal
2009-11-04 05:40 pm UTC (link)
That's disgusting...

This is why I like Ontario Lotto, when you get a lotto ticket scanned it goes "*Beep*Beep* Winner! Winner! Ten Dollar. Gagnant! Gagnant! Dix Dollar" it shows both on the screen and with a voice. And we got that after a case similar to this. Maybe send a hint to Texas or something... Gah.

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[info]fern_on_fen
2009-11-05 12:50 am UTC (link)
I hope they do that in Texas.

Complete with the French too. I would so fucking play the Lotto for that.

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[info]vitalitat
2009-11-04 05:44 pm UTC (link)
Anyone see the Chris Hansen special where he set up people who did this with winning lotto tickets? This is why I check my own all the time. :S

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[info]quantumreality
2009-11-05 03:35 pm UTC (link)
No, I didn't; is there a Youtube snippet of this or anything? I'd love to see the oh-you-are-so-busted look on the faces of the people who rip off winning tix like that.

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[info]quantumreality
2009-11-05 03:36 pm UTC (link)
And I seem to fail at pronoun usage. I mean "oh-I-am...etc".

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[info]cyndra_falin
2009-11-04 07:14 pm UTC (link)
I keep wondering why the crazy insists on coming from my state. *sigh* Brb looking for other states to live in.

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[info]tachikoma01
2009-11-04 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Only thing I can figure is the lottery officials went "Eeeeh... we already paid one person and we bet that money isn't recoverable. We don't wanna pay another one."

Hope he can sue them to reverse the decision or *something.*

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[info]maegwin_of_hern
2009-11-05 06:09 am UTC (link)
My thoughts exactly.

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[info]digigirl132
2009-11-04 07:56 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I can see why the lottery would do that. If you read the fine print in just about every lottery, the actual 'winner' is the one who signs the back of the ticket. It is a little douchey of the Texas lottery to do that, but it's likely that they wouldn't be able to get the money back, and I bet they don't want to pay twice.

Also it's really good advice to sign all of your tickets before letting the clerk check them for you. That way they can't do this same trick to you. And actually, it's not too uncommon to hear of clerks doing this for small winners, like the thousand dollar winners in some of the scratch card games, which is all the more reason to sign them.

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[info]hallidae
2009-11-04 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Does Texas not have laws about those involved in the lottery cashing in? Like, in some areas of Tennessee, you can't buy a lottery ticket from the same store you work at, which would have disqualified this guy's win anyway since the guy whose ticket it was bought it from that convenience store.

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[info]digigirl132
2009-11-04 09:01 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure about that, though it would be moot if the guy brought in tickets he bought at another store.

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[info]hallidae
2009-11-04 09:19 pm UTC (link)
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure another article said he'd always bought his tickets from that store, and that's why he trusted the clerk to begin with.

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[info]digigirl132
2009-11-04 09:32 pm UTC (link)
Aaah. Then yeah, he definitely shouldn't be allowed to do that. It's shady.

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[info]faultypremise
2009-11-04 09:25 pm UTC (link)
No, the winning ticket was purchased from that particular store.

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[info]digigirl132
2009-11-04 09:33 pm UTC (link)
Ouch. Then yeah, there's something wrong with that.

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[info]herongale
2009-11-05 09:04 am UTC (link)
The clear, unambiguous rules about who is entitled to claim the prize are in place for a reason. One ticket= one winner.

You know how they say "ignorance of the law is not an excuse?" Well, ignorance of what's in the fine print of one's lottery ticket "contract" is also no excuse. I'm sure a lot of people are familiar with the concept of pooled bets, where whole groups of people go in together to bet on the lottery, in hopes of improving their collective odds. The fine print in this case exists to prevent the possibility of every winning ticket becoming a legally contested nightmare. It is not the state's job to sort out people's verbal contracts, handshake agreements, or other informal ways of collective betting. The "one ticket=one winner" rule makes it clear that if groups want to guarantee a fair distribution, they need to write up their own legal contract separate from the lottery, one which outlines how any winning ticket would be treated.

From a legal standpoint, the state distributes the winnings to the person who followed the rules outlined in the ticket. Let's say I accidentally throw out a winning ticket in the trash, and someone else finds it... am I entitled to the money? No, because I am the one who made a mistake. It is the same situation with this man. He paid $1 or whatever the cost is for the ticket, and the reason he didn't treat the ticket like a $750K treasure was because to him, it wasn't.

That doesn't mean that he wasn't the victim of fraud, or that he's not entitled to the money. He was tricked by someone who he believed in good faith would honestly take care of his winnings. But it was not the state who defrauded this man, and therefore the state doesn't owe him the money. The money is owed to him by the man who actually stole it.

The fact that the criminal skipped the country means that justice will not be served. NOT that the state is obligated to make this man whole. That would be as good as saying that the state is who committed the fraud to begin with, and it would put the people of Texas on the hook for a crime they did not commit.

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[info]kijikun
2009-11-04 09:31 pm UTC (link)
Dear State. Please stop.

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[info]caitiedid
2009-11-04 11:55 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Texas.

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[info]fern_on_fen
2009-11-05 12:51 am UTC (link)
Dear Texas,

It's me Fern! You know: your own, born and bred. Yeah, listen, I know you probably hate me because I voted for Obama, but you really need to cut this batshit out.

No love,

Fern

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[info]felinephoenix
2009-11-05 04:42 am UTC (link)
I'd be surprised, but I've lived in Texas my whole life.

So I'm just going to introduce my head to this desk instead.

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[info]lexingmouse3
2009-11-06 03:55 pm UTC (link)
Whaaaaat?

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