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finchbird ([info]finchbird) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2009-12-17 21:40:00


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Star Trek Stops Women From Becoming Computer Scientists
The gender gap in computer science may have been widened by Star Trek, a new study suggests — but it could be bridged with a less geeky image.

New research published in the December Journal of Personality and Social Psychology suggests that the stereotype of computer scientists as unwashed nerds may be partially responsible for the dearth of women in the field, as shown by National Science Foundation statistics.

“What this research shows is that the image of computer science — this geeky, masculine image — can make women feel like they don’t belong,” says lead author Sapna Cheryan of the University of Washington.

“I think this is an important contribution to the literature,” says Rodolfo Mendoza-Denton of the University of California, Berkeley. He says it raises questions about how much conscious control people have over their choices.

Previous research has found that a person can get a good sense of what another individual is like just from spending a few minutes perusing that person’s bedroom. Cheryan wondered if the same was true of classrooms.

“You can get a message about whether you want to join a certain group just by seeing the physical environment that that group is associated with,” Cheryan says. “You walk in, see these objects and think, ‘This is not me.’”

Cheryan and colleagues tested this idea by alternately decorating a computer science classroom with objects that earlier surveys pegged as stereotypically geeky—Star Trek posters, videogames and comic books — or with objects that the surveys found to be neutral— coffee mugs, plants and art posters. Thirty-nine college students spent a few minutes in the room, then filled out a questionnaire on their attitudes toward computer science.

Women who spent time in the geeky room reported less interest in computer science than women who saw the neutral room. For male students, however, the room’s décor made no difference.

In follow-up tests, a total of 215 students were asked to imagine they were joining either a geekily decorated or a neutrally decorated company after graduation. For every possible scenario, women preferred the non-geeky space.

“It’s a consistent effect,” Cheryan says. “The environment can communicate a sense of belonging, but it also communicates a sense of exclusion, or a sense that this is not a place where I would fit in.”

Cheryan acknowledges that the geeky classroom setup is a caricature of computer science. But, she points out, people respond to that stereotype whether it’s true or not, and study participants found the nerdy room believable.

“There’s this idea that people develop interest in their major or their chosen career through some kind of internal passion they have,” Mendoza-Denton says. “These studies show that in fact the spaces that you walk into can have those kinds of effects. Those are very subtle things that we can miss.”

Cheryan suggests that nonstereotypical depictions of computer science, in the media and in classrooms, could help update the field’s image.

Mendoza-Denton adds that the results can be put to use in other fields in which minorities are underrepresented. But first, he says, “People have to begin to take it seriously.”

“The scientific basis for making the case that the décor of a particular room matters is very clear,” he says. “But whether institutions or companies or universities decide to take those steps to increase diversity really is up to people listening to the research.

Source.



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tetradecimal
2009-12-19 10:01 pm UTC (link)
Sounds sensationalist and easy on the details. Which video games? Which comics?

/she-woman who works in a geeky computer science workspace and loves Star Trek

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[info]herongale
2009-12-20 12:17 pm UTC (link)
I suspect the Wired article is not representing the study's methods or findings to its best advantage. But I also suspect the study of narrow-minded design, which would kind of poison the results.

It's plausible to me that more women than not are turned off by a "geeky" workplace, but I also think it would be plausible that more women than not would also be turned off by an exceptionally frilly and "girly" workplace. A highly personalized workplace environment might easily feel oppressive to someone who didn't have a say in how that environment was designed, especially if the personalization spills over from private workstations to include the overall decor. If I were designing the study, I would have located the distinction not as "geeky or not" but rather "professional or not," and compared sparely-decorated spaces with lots of light to cluttered spaces of all stripes.

For me, the key line in the Wired report is this: "Women who spent time in the geeky room reported less interest in computer science than women who saw the neutral room. For male students, however, the room’s décor made no difference." That does speak to some gender-related distinction in how women and men process a workplace environment, but it's not at all clear what that particular distinction signifies. I think it's a fair thing for people to study: a gender gap in any field is worrisome, no matter what direction the gap leans. But this article reminds me of those news reports claiming that a cure for cancer has been found when really thr finding is far more narrowly focused, such as identifying a particularly interesting oncogene.

The culprit is probably not only in the study itself, but in both how the researchers themselves are pimping out the results (inflating importance of the data in order to make themselves look more wise) and in how uncritical and superficial Wired's science reporting is. It's pathetic, really.

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[info]the__ivorytower
2009-12-19 10:18 pm UTC (link)
Star Trek? Really? The one with female science officers, engineering officers, communications officers and high-ranking officers which include the captain of the ship? Okay.

Yeah, okay, there aren't a lot of them, but I thought Star Trek actually made inroads with the whole thing. Plus, they have sonic showers! Everyone is washed!

Maybe I'm missing something...

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[info]chibikaijuu
2009-12-21 05:04 pm UTC (link)
Apparently, Star Trek>Geeky>only unwashed Comic Book Guys like it.

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[info]cat_mcdougall
2009-12-19 10:29 pm UTC (link)
Huh. And here I thought it was because in a lot of places, girls are still discouraged from the "hard" sciences, and pushed at literature/languages/etc because they are "Easy" (Side note: Not saying they are. I can speak English fluently, and know a French curse when I hear it and know a few words in Greek, but that's about it.) and girls shouldn't try to infringe on the "boys' territory".

... Okay, last sentence killed me. I'm going back to anime.

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[info]finchbird
2009-12-19 11:16 pm UTC (link)
I hate the use of hard science and soft science. An acquaintance of mine has a friend who was able to get an A in organic chemistry (no easy feat at our university) and got a D in the intro anthropology class.

On a personal note, I had to switch from biology to anthropology due to a lot of issues and while I'm doing better in the two linguistic anthropology classes I'm taking now than I ever did in most of my natural science classes, it's still a lot of work for me to understand what the hell I'm learning.

The humanities and the social sciences are fucking hard too.

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(no subject) - [info]cat_mcdougall, 2009-12-19 11:27 pm UTC

[info]spacelogic
2009-12-19 10:43 pm UTC (link)
Speaking as a female CS major, the thing that I have trouble with is the knowledge that I'm the minority, and will be treated differently and held to different standards. Geekiness matters only in that geek culture tends to be male-default. Trying to degeekify the field won't help, because it'll still be as numerically male; explicit support for and welcoming of women is the key.

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[info]quantumreality
2009-12-19 10:48 pm UTC (link)
I've thought about that too, off and on, and I'm... well, frankly I'm stumped. How can geek culture be made more female-accepting and less of a "males-dominant" club?

I have scratched my head over that a few times and maybe I'm just missing something obvious that needs to be told to me before I see the train of reasoning as clear as day.

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(no subject) - [info]adevyish, 2009-12-20 01:08 am UTC
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[info]innocentsmith
2009-12-21 03:21 am UTC (link)
Geekiness matters only in that geek culture tends to be male-default

Or at least consistently represented as male-default: "no girls on the internet."

I'm betting the Star Trek decor didn't include much slashy fanart.

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(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2009-12-21 05:08 pm UTC
THIS THIS THIS
[info]telegramsam
2009-12-21 03:06 pm UTC (link)
"“What this research shows is that the image of computer science — this geeky, masculine image — can make women feel like they don’t belong,” says lead author Sapna Cheryan of the University of Washington."

Uh, no, actually. It's not the decor or image that's the problem, it's the attitudes and behavior of the men who inhabit such spaces. Frankly some of the worst misogynists I've met were self-proclaimed "nerds" and not just the stereotypical jocks generally associated with such attitudes. Not all or even most geeky guys are sexist but enough are that any college-aged woman in a room full of them without any other female compatriots is going to potentially feel uncomfortable or threatened.

Personally? I'm a woman. I love Star Trek. And video games. And super hero comic books, manga/anime, computers, "hard" sciences and all other manner of geekly pursuits. There are TONS of girl-geeks in this world, they just tend to get ignored by the boy-geeks because girls apparently have "cooties" or something.

I got my B.S. in Geology and that was hard enough, I was in several classrooms with a load of men and no other women and it wasn't always fun. I stuck with it because I'm a stubborn ass, there were a couple other equally stubborn women in the major but we were far outnumbered and it wasn't always an inviting environment.

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Re: THIS THIS THIS - [info]duraniedrama, 2009-12-22 12:59 am UTC

redwarrior
2009-12-23 12:56 am UTC (link)
This. So hard.

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[info]aliaras
2009-12-19 10:48 pm UTC (link)
Or maybe it's at least partly that being a nerdy woman in nerd spaces sometimes opens one up to unwanted attention? I mean, I <3 me some fellow nerds, but I've heard (male) CS folk talking about how there were 4 girls, 100 guys, and this huge struggle to be one of the people who could "get" one of the girls. I'd think working on that would help more than some silly posters.

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[info]gold_bluepoint
2009-12-19 10:51 pm UTC (link)
Clearly they didn't perform the study at *my* school. There are, in fact - in fact! - some women to whom geeky surroundings would appeal. (I wonder what majors/interests the women in the study possessed.) From what I've heard about comp sci, math, etc at my university, though - if they want to talk about "exclusionary surroundings", maybe they should focus less on Star Wars posters and more on the classrooms with one or two other women and full of men, a substantial portion of whom may possess questionable hygiene and an unwillingness to regard you as an equal intellect, but whom are all ready and waiting to hit on you for having breasts.

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[info]finchbird
2009-12-19 11:00 pm UTC (link)
Someone at [info]anthropologist on LJ had a chance to read bits of the study.

FYI. There is quite some headdesk inducing comments in that post.

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(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2009-12-19 11:23 pm UTC
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[info]octavia
2009-12-19 10:58 pm UTC (link)
I'm pretty sure that the lead of the article didn't succeed very well in representing the actual result of the research and the researchers' conclusions. At least Jezebel's take on it was quite different.

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[info]sheep
2009-12-19 11:08 pm UTC (link)
*Closes Star Trek novel*

If they had Star Trek posters up in our computer rooms, I probably would have given it more of a chance.

Ok, not really, because we actually never really had any sort of decent computer classes at school. The most we ever really got to do was type in a few commands to draw squares and stars and things, and write essays about how supermarket check-outs work... Oh, joy. I have no idea if this was normal or because I went to a girls convent school.

Hey, it was McCoy that originally made me want to be a doctor (because McCoy is the best), before I changed my mind.

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[info]madelfdisease
2009-12-19 11:13 pm UTC (link)
I would think it was less about the geeky accouterments and more about whether those comics/Star Trek posters/whatever are all very male default and unwelcoming to women in their content. I mean, a lot of comic book covers feature busty, questionably clad women if they feature women at all, which can be equally true of video games. Star Trek, in spite of having women, tends to focus on the men to the exclusion of them, probably also in the promotional materials. Basically, it might not be the geeky nature as much as the content that makes the environment feel unwelcoming to women.

They would probably get the exact same response if they were hanging up Maxim posters, beer ads, or rows upon rows of pictures of male only scientists.

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(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2009-12-20 03:46 am UTC
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[info]robinterrae
2009-12-19 11:32 pm UTC (link)
I remember when I was in college, I took a CS class and I was one of two women in the class. It helped that the professor was a woman as well.

She was also the same one who told me she loved being in the field because it was the one time she could think where, at a conference or such, there was a line for the men's bathroom instead of the women's.

I was a computer science major in college for two semesters. It wasn't the atmosphere that made me switch (I enjoyed being with the geeks), it was the hard to understand professors and calculus.

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(no subject) - [info]silrana, 2009-12-20 12:27 am UTC

[info]blue_penguin
2009-12-19 11:41 pm UTC (link)
What?

I'm all for not stereotyping nerds or nerdy professions, but what I'm getting from this article "women are really concerned with image and are never geeky (or Trek fans), and that's why they don't do computer science!" Which is pretty ridiculous.

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(no subject) - [info]blue_penguin, 2009-12-19 11:42 pm UTC
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[info]chaimonkey
2009-12-20 12:26 am UTC (link)
Raeg at this study. Did they even think to analyze the geeky decorations for gender stereotypes and/or sexual overtones that might have made the women uncomfortable?

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(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2009-12-20 12:45 am UTC
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[info]rachelmap
2009-12-20 12:59 am UTC (link)
The 'geeky' room had no coffee mugs? The 'geeky' room is not worthy of my time.

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[info]jedi_dwh
2009-12-20 02:48 am UTC (link)
Uhh... speaking as a female computer science graduate whose current title includes the word "technician..." what the hell? I was the one who pushed for geeky decorations in our labs. In fact, Star Trek posters are probably more accessible than the giant Linux penguins I painted on the walls (in red, green, and blue! I was such a graphics nerd).

I understand that some women aren't comfortable in the CS environment, but I doubt it's because of geeky decorations. It likely has more to do with the guys treating us like we don't belong. My first lab professor, within a couple of weeks of school starting, once asked me if I needed him to plug a mouse into the computer for me. A computer mouse. Okay, I get that CS150 was the intro course, and a lot of people dropped it. But I'd informed many of the CS professors of my intention to major, my adviser was a CS prof, and I actually had fairly articulate career plans. I believe my exact response, after staring at him incredulously for a few seconds, was, "...I built my computer."

I was the only female CS major in my graduating class (granted, there were only seven of us, but still). It wasn't because my early classmates weren't geeky- in fact, one of my roommates later in college was someone who took CS150 with me, and we didn't really meet again until we lived together on the Sci-fi/Fantasy theme hall. STAR TREK POSTERS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, PEOPLE.

Also, my room at my apartment looks like it belongs to a 14-year-old boy. I am trying to fix that, but I am never getting rid of my Star Wars stuff (posters, potato heads, an entire bookcase full of books, and various costume pieces including two lightsabers). So it's just going to take more creativity. I'm totally up for the challenge. :D

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[info]sgtgeorgecarter
2009-12-20 05:58 am UTC (link)
My Sophmore Statics Professor said in front of everyone "you are a woman, what are you doing in my class?"

What an arse.
Yeah it's the posters.

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[info]wtf
2009-12-20 07:05 am UTC (link)
There is not enough headdesk in the world for this.

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[info]coffee_mug
2009-12-20 06:30 pm UTC (link)
Surroundings do matter but they only spent a few minutes there, not like half an hour or so? A few minutes isn't a ton of time to assess how comfortable one feels in a space.

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