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telegramsam ([info]telegramsam) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2010-02-16 12:14:00


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Well, I'm suitably pissed off now.
"Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey"


A majority of women believe some rape victims should take responsibility for what happened, a survey suggests.

Almost three quarters of the women who believed this said if a victim got into bed with the assailant before an attack they should accept some responsibility.

One-third blamed victims who had dressed provocatively or gone back to the attacker's house for a drink.

The survey of more than 1,000 people in London marked the 10th anniversary of the Haven service for rape victims.

More than half of those of both sexes questioned said there were some circumstances when a rape victim should accept responsibility for an attack.

Less forgiving

The study found that women were less forgiving of the victim than men.

Of the women who believed some victims should take responsibility, 71% thought a person should accept responsibility when getting into bed with someone, compared with 57% of men.

Elizabeth Harrison from Haven said there was never an excuse for forcing a woman to do something she did not want to.

"Clearly, women are in a position where they need to take responsibility for themselves - but whatever you wear and whatever you do does not give somebody else the right to rape you.

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Rape victims' views on blame
"It's important people take the time to actually look at what they are doing and make sure the person they are with is actually wanting to go ahead with what they are proposing."

The survey also found more than one in 10 people were unsure whether they would report being raped to the police, and 2% said they would definitely not do so.

The main reasons were being too embarrassed or ashamed (55%), wanting to forget it had happened (41%) and not wanting to go to court (38%).

Meanwhile, the survey suggested that many people are relaxed about their safety. Almost half of people have walked home via side streets on their own.

One in five has been so drunk they have lost their memory, while one in five has got into a taxi without checking whether it is licensed.

Hardening attitudes

When asked about their own experiences, more than a third of those polled said they had been in a situation where they could have been made to have sex against their will.

Women are more likely to have been in this situation - 40% compared to 20%.

And one in five adults had been in a situation where they were made to have sex when they did not want to. This had happened to more women (23%) than men (20%).

It is depressing that people are still quick to blame the victim of rape rather than placing the responsibility where it actually belongs - squarely on the shoulders of the perpetrator

Kate Allen
Amnesty International
The online survey, titled Wake Up To Rape, polled 1,061 people aged 18 to 50, comprising 712 women and 349 men.

An Amnesty International report five years ago found that a significant minority of British people laid the blame for rape at victims themselves.

BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw says this latest study suggests attitudes may have hardened. And the findings may help explain why juries are reluctant to convict in some rape trials.

Amnesty International's UK director Kate Allen said the new findings were "alarming but sadly not surprising".

"It is depressing that, nearly half a decade later, people are still quick to blame the victim of rape rather than placing the responsibility where it actually belongs - squarely on the shoulders of the perpetrator," she said.

"The government has announced that it will develop an 'integrated strategy' to tackle violence against women and these findings are another reminder of how urgent this is and how proper training, support and resourcing will be vital in making it a reality."

The Home Office said it had introduced a number of measures to the service provided to rape victims, including new police and prosecutors' guidance, monitoring of services and funding for support for rape victims.

A spokeswoman said: "The government is determined to ensure that every victim has immediate access to the services and support they need so that more victims have the confidence to come forward and report these crimes and we can bring the perpetrators to justice."


"A majority of women believe some rape victims should take responsibility for what happened, a survey suggests."

Frankly, a anyone who believes that can go shut their stupid faces, as far as I care.

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rambling thoughts on yaoi
[info]telegramsam
2010-02-17 05:02 pm UTC (link)
You know that would make sense if we were talking about mountain lion attacks, like okay kids, don't go running through the woods where the mountain lions live, because damn if you're gonna convince a mountain lion that hikers really aren't all that tasty, but you know PEOPLE ARE NOT MOUNTAIN LIONS AND SHOULD BE CAPABLE OF MAYBE NOT ATTACKING OTHER PEOPLE.

Frankly I think as much as anything, it's extremely insulting to men as a class in general, as though suggesting they are all stupid idiots who can't stop their poor sad animal selves from raping other people. It's insulting to women and to men and to humanity in general. WE ARE NOT MOUNTAIN LIONS DAMMIT.

Sorry, I've had way too much caffeine today and probably aren't making much sense here.

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Re: rambling thoughts on yaoi
[info]usagivindaloo
2010-02-17 05:14 pm UTC (link)
I imagine that their argument would be, "Oh, we don't treat all men(/women) like stupid animals who can't contain their rapey! We just think that all the good men(/women) out there know not to rape, while those bad men who do are total monsters who we can't get through to!"

I agree with you, though... at least making the effort to reason can't hurt, right? As you say, we're not animals, we all are capable of being kind and positive to each other as opposed to doing horrible things like rape... can't we, I dunno, tattoo that into everyone's head?

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Re: rambling thoughts on yaoi
[info]telegramsam
2010-02-17 05:46 pm UTC (link)
I think a lot of the problem is that people still assume rape is always and only some stranger jumping out of the bushes. That may be true in some cases, but the majority of cases it's not - it's fairly ordinary people who end up raping their date, their girlfriend, their neighbor, friends, even family members. And surprise - women can and do molest/rape and men can be victims as well.

If people really want to do something about the problem of rape, they need to start teaching their children -boys and girls- about boundary issues and empathy/respect for other human beings. And do something about the ridiculous sense of entitlement and selfishness that so many people seem to have.

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Re: rambling thoughts on yaoi
[info]usagivindaloo
2010-02-17 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Total word to all of this (that and the point that women can be assailants as well... I was trying to note that in my original post but missed one (/women) at the end). I agree that a huge problem comes from the assumption that all rape is strangers jumping out of bushes, especially because then the emphasis seems to go on vigilance and WATCHING THE BUSHES OMG.

I think emphasizing empathy and respect for personal boundaries would go a huge way. Because as you say, lots of rape happens because people don't understand where those boundaries are (I do not say this in an AW THOSE POOR RAPISTS way, mind you) or don't respect them properly. I'm sure the average person thinks the, "hey, don't rape," message is a blinding flash of the obvious because they hear it as, "hey, don't jump out of bushes and attack strangers," as opposed to, "hey, don't assume that a long-term sexual relationship means permanent consent at all times," or "hey, before hitting on that guy/girl, ask yourself if you would want to be hit on in this situation."

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Re: rambling thoughts on yaoi
[info]telegramsam
2010-02-17 06:12 pm UTC (link)
And also "just because she's drunk/sick/incapacitated in some way does not give the automatic greenlight to do whatever just because she can't physically fight back"

That's a big one dammit >:C

A lot of men in our society seem to have huge boundary issues when it comes to women's bodies, not just talking about rape. I really don't understand it.

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Re: rambling thoughts on yaoi
[info]issendai
2010-02-17 08:41 pm UTC (link)
And yet, what drives me wild is that if you do try to put out the "don't rape" message, men go BAWWWW YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE ALL RAPISTS WE'RE NOT ALL RAPISTS HOW COULD YOU HURT OUR FEEEEEEELINGS. And while I have sympathy for good guys who are tired of being tarred with the rapist brush, this tactic also prevents people from sending the THIS IS HOW TO NOT BE A RAPIST message to guys who need it.

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Re: rambling thoughts on yaoi
[info]telegramsam
2010-02-17 08:46 pm UTC (link)
That's just their "MI MALE PRIVELEDGE LET ME SHO U IT" coming out.

Frankly I think they need to nail the "not how to be a rapist" lesson to the walls of every high school and university, especially around the athletics department and fraternities, plus the bars around town. It couldn't hurt.

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Re: rambling thoughts on yaoi
[info]issendai
2010-02-17 09:13 pm UTC (link)
What we need most of all is a way to wedge some truth into the young male stereotype that women are mysterious, completely unlike men, and natural prey. (Plus a bit of truth on the other side: that just because women aren't unlike men, that doesn't mean they're exactly like men.) Everything else is just a band-aid.

Mind you, I don't know what else to do other than apply band-aids, either. Bro culture has powerful defenses against messages from outsiders. It formed as a way for the privileged young to have their fun despite resistance from the rest of, well, the planet; and I have no idea how to do anything about it.

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Re: rambling thoughts on yaoi
[info]telegramsam
2010-02-17 09:18 pm UTC (link)
"that women are mysterious, completely unlike men, and natural prey"

Thanks, I wanted to say this but couldn't think of a way to articulate it. Too many men and women reagard the other as some other completely unrelated species, which causes all kinds of problems, both mild and severe.

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Re: rambling thoughts on yaoi
[info]issendai
2010-02-17 09:43 pm UTC (link)
*nod* And the real answer is complex and somewhere in between, which makes the message even harder for people to absorb.

*sigh*

When I am Empress, I will fix this.

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Re: rambling thoughts on yaoi
[info]evilsqueakers
2010-02-17 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Oh, no. I just handed over a fuckton of stats to men saying that the stranger in the bushes are NOT the main villains and I was promptly ignored. I mean, hey, it's easy to say "Well, if she wasn't wearing a sparkly thong that shows, he wouldn't target her."

I'm sorry, I'm ready to kill with a three ton semi and back over 'em again, just to teach a lesson.

(Reposted because I forgot my righteous pissed off icon.)

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