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telegramsam ([info]telegramsam) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2010-02-24 07:37:00


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Entry tags:another reason to hate people, politics, rights what rights?, sure we don't need no feminism

Oh Utah, never stop being crazy
Utah to outlaw miscarriage

No, it's not an Onion article, believe it or not.


A bill passed by the Utah House and Senate this week and waiting for the governor's signature, will make it a crime for a woman to have a miscarriage, and make induced abortion a crime in some instances.

According Lynn M. Paltrow, executive director of National Advocates for Pregnant Women, what makes Utah's proposed law unique is that it is specifically designed to be punitive toward pregnant women, not those who might assist or cause an illegal abortion or unintended miscarriage.

The bill passed by legislators amends Utah's criminal statute to allow the state to charge a woman with criminal homicide for inducing a miscarriage or obtaining an illegal abortion. The basis for the law was a recent case in which a 17-year-old girl, who was seven months pregnant, paid a man $150 to beat her in an attempt to cause a miscarriage. Although the girl gave birth to a baby later given up for adoption, she was initially charged with attempted murder. However the charges were dropped because, at the time, under Utah state law a woman could not be prosecuted for attempting to arrange an abortion, lawful or unlawful.

The bill passed by the Utah legislature would change that. While the bill does not affect legally obtained abortions, it criminalizes any actions taken by women to induce a miscarriage or abortion outside of a doctor's care, with penalties including up to life in prison.

"What is really radical and different about this statute is that all of the other states' feticide laws are directed to third party attackers," Paltrow explained. "[Other states' feticide laws] were passed in response to a pregnant woman who has been beaten up by a husband or boyfriend. Utah's law is directed to the woman herself and that's what makes it different and dangerous."

In addition to criminalizing an intentional attempt to induce a miscarriage or abortion, the bill also creates a standard that could make women legally responsible for miscarriages caused by "reckless" behavior.

Using the legal standard of "reckless behavior" all a district attorney needs to show is that a woman behaved in a manner that is thought to cause miscarriage, even if she didn't intend to lose the pregnancy. Drink too much alcohol and have a miscarriage? Under the new law such actions could be cause for prosecution.

"This creates a law that makes any pregnant woman who has a miscarriage potentially criminally liable for murder," says Missy Bird, executive director of Planned Parenthood Action Fund of Utah. Bird says there are no exemptions in the bill for victims of domestic violence or for those who are substance abusers. The standard is so broad, Bird says, "there nothing in the bill to exempt a woman for not wearing her seatbelt who got into a car accident."

Such a standard could even make falling down stairs a prosecutable event, such as the recent case in Iowa where a pregnant woman who fell down the stairs at her home was arrested under the suspicion she was trying to terminate her pregnancy.

"This statute and the standards chosen leave a large number of pregnant women vulnerable to arrest even though they have no intention of ending a pregnancy," Paltrow said. "Whether or not the legislature intended this bill to become a tool for policing and punishing all pregnant women, if enacted this law would permit prosecution of a pregnant woman who stayed with her abusive husband because she was unable to leave. Not leaving would, under the 'reckless' standard, constitute conduct that consciously disregarded a substantial risk," Paltrow explained.

While many states have fetal homicide laws most apply only in the third trimester. Utah's bill would apply throughout the entirety of a woman's pregnancy. Even first trimester miscarriages could become the basis for a murder trial.

Bird said she is also concerned that the law will drive pregnant women with substance abuse problems "underground;" afraid to seek treatment lest they have a miscarriage and be charged for murder. She said it directly reverses the attempts made, though a bill passed in 2008, to encourage pregnant women to seek treatment for addiction.

Paltrow added that the commonly thought belief that pregnant women who use drugs are engaging in behavior that is likely to cause a stillbirth or a miscarriage is wrong.

"Science now makes clear that drug use by pregnant women does not create unique risks for pregnant women, although it is likely that among those targeted for prosecutions by this statute will be women who go to term under drug usage," she said.

The bill does exempt from prosecution fetal deaths due to failure to follow medical advice, accept treatment or refuse a cesarean section. Bird said this exemption was likely because of a 2004 case where a woman who was pregnant with twins was later charged with criminal homicide after one of the babies was stillborn, which the state deemed due to her refusal to have a cesarean section.

Planned Parenthood and the ACLU of Utah worked together to "amend the hell out of the bill," Bird said. One of their few accomplishments was at least dropping the legal standard of "negligence" from the bill, a much lower standard than "recklessness."

Bird was shaken with emotion after the Senate vote. "I broke down and cried," she admitted. "I normally never let these kind of [legislative] battles get to me."

"What really sucks is that we had three supposed allies in the Senate, three [Democratic] women, who voted for the bill," Bird said, adding she didn't yet know why the three senators switched votes.

Marina Lowe is legislative and policy counsel for the ACLU of Utah. She worked in tandem with Bird on trying to derail or at least mitigate the worst aspects of the bill. Lowe says at this point she doesn't know if there is a potential constitutional challenge to the law once it is signed by the governor.

But she points to cases like the one in Iowa as exactly the kind of situation that might arise once this law is put into place.

Paltrow says this bill puts a lie to the idea that the pro-life movement cares about women.

"For all these years the anti-choice movement has said ‘we want to outlaw abortion, not put women in jail, but what this law says is ‘no, we really want to put women in jail.'"


"For all these years the anti-choice movement has said ‘we want to outlaw abortion, not put women in jail, but what this law says is ‘no, we really want to put women in jail.'"




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[info]purple_smurf
2010-02-24 02:39 pm UTC (link)
I am torn between weeping and RAGEFLAMESARGHDIE. Instead, I shall take note of the time in Australia (1.40am) and hope that this is part of a nightmare and it will all be gone when I wake up.

...it will be gone when I wake up, right? This has to be a joke. I just... hi, I'm a walking uterus, pleased to meet you.

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[info]darsynia
2010-02-24 03:11 pm UTC (link)
I was just coming here to post this if it wasn't up already.

I think what scares me the most is the Iowa case where the nurse to whom the woman confided doubts in whether she wanted her child turned around and informed the police that she deliberately fell down the stairs. Because THAT is what is at stake here--women feeling as though they can't get treatment for all manner of things, whether it's for drug addiction or something seemingly innocuous like a fall. No matter what the law's intent is, it's the actions of those that enforce it that scare me.

This is seriously the slippery 'pre-pregnant' slope that many of us have been worried about. Find out you're pregnant only because you're in the midst of a miscarriage? Did you go on a drinking binge sometime in the past month? MURDERER.

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[info]brennalarose
2010-02-24 03:29 pm UTC (link)
What is this I don't even.

BRB, in the corner, crying.

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[info]finchbird
2010-02-24 03:35 pm UTC (link)
the bill also creates a standard that could make women legally responsible for miscarriages caused by "reckless" behavior

Translation: WOMEN SHOULD STAY IN THE GODDAMN KITCHEN LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO! >:|

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[info]airawyn
2010-02-24 04:08 pm UTC (link)
In a country where birth control is available and abortion is legal, a 17-year-old girl pays a man to beat her up to induce a miscarriage and the only PROBLEM you see here is that she can't be charged with attempted murder?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

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[info]notjo
2010-02-24 04:22 pm UTC (link)
I thought having a Democrat in the White House was supposed to end all these shenanigans? I can't follow US laws at all.

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[info]keri
2010-02-24 04:23 pm UTC (link)
1. I love the idea that a pregnant woman not wearing her seatbelt can be accused of attempted murder (or whatever the fuck they're calling it), even though from all that I understand, in many cases pregnant women can't wear seatbelts safely anyway (or sometimes at all), because of the shape of car seats, location of the belts, and, you know, the fact that they're pregnant and aren't the standard body shape. So I take it that pregnant women shouldn't be riding in cars at all.

Also, it's interesting that that statement implies that there isn't already a seatbelt law in Utah. Here in Florida, it's illegal to ride in the front seats of a car without wearing one, though I'm not sure if that applies to pregnant women in the passenger seat.


2. Bird said this exemption was likely because of a 2004 case where a woman who was pregnant with twins was later charged with criminal homicide after one of the babies was stillborn, which the state deemed due to her refusal to have a cesarean section.

I also really loathe that women can be charged with criminal homicide for refusing a cesaerean section. That's major surgery! I mean, if there's a chance that it can be avoided safely, why wouldn't you do that? Who wants to cut their abdomen muscles apart if they don't have to? Forcing someone to have surgery like that is just wrong.

It kind of reminds me of the analogy about making women go through with a pregnancy because they're healthy and have no "good" excuses not to and also, it's means someone will live. It's like, okay then, if you're healthy, then let's force you to give up a kidney because someone needs it and doing so means they'll live.

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(no subject) - [info]telegramsam, 2010-02-25 10:39 pm UTC
From zero to hate in four seconds.
[info]dez_chan
2010-02-24 04:32 pm UTC (link)
Next up, we'll be charged with attempted murder for sneezing on someone. After all, we might have tuberculosis!

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(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2010-02-24 05:37 pm UTC
Re: From zero to hate in four seconds. - [info]evilsqueakers, 2010-02-25 04:30 am UTC

[info]veneotaqueen
2010-02-24 04:41 pm UTC (link)
And if I were a woman with some not-easily-detected medical condition and I keep miscarring without a known reason, this assholes would put me in prison anyway for "investigation"? I know that in my country all abortions (save those done by medical reason) are illegal, but seriously, this is too wrong, in a myriad ways.

Oh Utah, making retrograde third world countries look like progressive nations!

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[info]the__ivorytower
2010-02-24 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Oh, good. They've figured out to prevent women from losing children they actually *want*, that they've lost because their bodies have rejected them for reasons unrelated to drugs, alcohol and so on, and they simply couldn't carry them. I'm so happy, there are women who lose their children and it breaks their hearts--

Wait, no? You're just going to turn them into criminals while they're already mourning? Fucking lovely.

I just don't even know. *puts up sign and wanders off*

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[info]sandglass
2010-02-24 04:51 pm UTC (link)
If I was a pregnant woman, or looking to get pregnant, I'd be pretty fucking terrified right now. As if it wasn't scary enough potentially being forced into a c-section.

brb, getting my tubes tied.

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[info]amadi
2010-02-24 04:53 pm UTC (link)
All of this comes down to the motto of the late Dr. Tiller: Trust Women. These people find the idea of doing so completely abhorrent, and that says everything you need to know about them and the way that they operate in life.

I'm terrified of people who think that things like this are all right. Terrified.

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[info]faultypremise
2010-02-24 05:39 pm UTC (link)
I've been mulling this over all morning while at work, and it has admittedly made it difficult to concentrate on entering insurance checks. I keep having to check and recheck my work to make sure I did it right.

I've always been pro-choice, adamantly so, and disturbed every time a woman's right to be a woman and not a walking uterus has been violated.

But this story has seriously rocked me to the core. I have never been so terrified as I am right now. And I'm sure this will not be the end of my horror, either, for the near future.

I fear for the future of women right now. More than I ever have before.

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[info]sistercoyote
2010-02-24 05:55 pm UTC (link)
I am not a walking talking baby incubator KTHXBAI.

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(no subject) - [info]snarkhunter, 2010-02-24 07:15 pm UTC

[info]tez
2010-02-24 06:55 pm UTC (link)
...........OH MY GOD. FUCK YOU, UTAH. FUCK. YOU.

Let me tell you a little story, Utah state legislature. I had a miscarriage eight years ago. It was a late-term miscarriage at that; if the baby had been born right then it would have been touch and go, but there was a good chance she would have survived. I think 'tis fairly safe to say I was fucking devastated. Thanks to that, my next pregnancy was instantly classed as high-risk and I was watched like a hawk (and my daughter was still born early because apparently my system doesn't like carrying babies a full 40 weeks). You want another whammy? That miscarriage happened on September fucking 11th, 2001. Yeah. Guess what was on the TV the entire fucking time I was in the hospital.

...in PROVO, UTAH.

So now you're fucking telling me that an event that fucking ripped my life apart and WAS NOT MY FUCKING FAULT could have potentially landed me in fucking JAIL if it happened right now?

Fuck you. Fuck you, Utah. Fuck you blind for this, you supposed fucking family-friendly state. Promised fucking land my ass.

...sorry. I'll clean up now.

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[info]bigbigtruck
2010-02-24 07:10 pm UTC (link)
This icon is supposed to be satirical.

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(no subject) - [info]snarkhunter, 2010-02-24 07:14 pm UTC

[info]kumquat_of_doom
2010-02-24 07:25 pm UTC (link)
...Oh, for fuck's SAKE.

Brb, being eternally fucking grateful I am Western European, where the attempts to control women at least has the decency to be a bit less FUCKING BLATANT, you wanksocks.

*snarl*

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2010-02-24 07:51 pm UTC (link)
That cannot be constitutional.

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[info]charamei
2010-02-24 07:59 pm UTC (link)
FYI: that link is broken. Looks like the close tag causing the problems.

Even first trimester miscarriages could become the basis for a murder trial.

But but but... don't an insanely high number of pregnancies terminate while the foetus is still too small to see, that is, within the first couple of weeks? Without anyone, even the mother, being any the wiser? Because Nature fucks up far more often than we'd like to believe?

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[info]mistal
2010-02-24 08:03 pm UTC (link)
Oh my god! I dont even live in Utah or in the US for that matter and Im all like wtf! and I want to get off this planet! And rage at this horror and a general Fuck you to all of them... I can't even imagine what it must feel like for woman living in Utah.

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(no subject) - [info]telegramsam, 2010-02-24 08:12 pm UTC

[info]aloysius
2010-02-24 08:33 pm UTC (link)
shutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupSHUTUP

In other news I first read that as "Utah to outlaw marriage", and I was perplexed, but I suppose my brain refused to process the actual sentence.

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[info]demonoflight
2010-02-24 08:41 pm UTC (link)
There aren't even words to describe how horrified I am by this.

Utah, do us all a favor and fuck off the planet.

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[info]bigbigtruck
2010-02-24 08:41 pm UTC (link)
The bill itself, plus revisions and amendments can be read here.

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(no subject) - [info]aliaras, 2010-02-24 11:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telegramsam, 2010-02-25 01:40 am UTC

[info]bigbigtruck
2010-02-24 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Does this part confuse anyone else?

provides that a woman is not guilty of criminal homicide of her own unborn child if

25 the death of her unborn child:
26 . is caused by a criminally negligent act of the woman; and
27 . is not caused by an intentional, knowing, or reckless act of the woman;


Also, what's 'criminally negligent' regarding pregnancy?

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(no subject) - [info]bigbigtruck, 2010-02-24 09:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bigbigtruck, 2010-02-24 09:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aliaras, 2010-02-24 11:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telegramsam, 2010-02-24 09:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fyrdrakken, 2010-02-25 09:45 pm UTC

[info]insanityprelude
2010-02-24 10:12 pm UTC (link)
What. The. Fuck.

Fuck these douchewaffles up the arse with a rusty pole. I don't even want kids but I'm so glad I don't live in Utah. I'd say I hope the governor vetoes it, but if it made it through the rest of the legislature...

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