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dreamer_marie ([info]dreamer_marie) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2008-06-29 14:13:00


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Maureen Dowd: It Was a Social Experiment!
Maureen Dowd is a columnist for the New York Times who is well known for her obsession with Bill Clinton. To be more precise, a certain part of Bill Clinton's anatomy. In the 2000 presidential election, she spent a lot of time making fun of Al Gore for the way he dressed. To keep it short, her worldview can be summarized like this: Republicans are manly men and Democrats are sissies.
As you may know, the Democratic primary has caused a lot of sexism in the media, and many people are objecting to it. So now, even the New York Times, in the person of their public editor Clark Hoyt, is wondering if they could have handled things differently. The answer, of course, is...

The Times itself, however, was barely mentioned, even though two of its Op-Ed columnists, Maureen Dowd and William Kristol, were named in the Hall of Shame.

(the rest of what they said, of course, like the cackle, the pantsuit references, etc... was found to be perfectly OK).
Kristol, it turns out, was only a sexist pig on Fox News, so the New York Times could wash their hands off him. Dowd was another matter, and her case they had to come up with a more sophisticated defense. And, wait for it...

“From the time I began writing about politics,” Dowd said, “I have always played with gender stereotypes and mined them and twisted them to force the reader to be conscious of how differently we view the sexes.” Now, she said, “you are asking me to treat Hillary differently than I’ve treated the male candidates all these years, with kid gloves.”

Bob Somerby, from the Daily Howler, calls bullshit (scroll down to "The Loathing that Dares Not Speak Its Name"):

Who knew? Readers, had it even crossed your mind that Dowd was trying to make this point? That Dowd has been trying to “force [us] to be conscious of how differently we view the sexes?” We’ll confess—we’ve read Dowd closely for more than a decade, and it never so much as entered our head that this was her lofty intention! To us, it had often seemed that she was trying to do something different—that she, like others in her friendship group, was trying to ridicule the Big Major Dems whom she clearly seemed to despise. But as it turns out, we were totally wrong! She was just trying to help us see “how differently we view the sexes.” The fault was not in this media star. The fault was in ourselves.

Examples of her tireless efforts: Just to make Dowd’s method more clear, here’s the way she opened her column the Sunday before the Bush-Gore election. You may have thought she was taking one last chance to portray Al Gore as a big f*cking f*ggot! Not at all! Dowd was simply helping you see how confused your gender notions were! “I Feel Pretty,” her headline said. Candidate Gore was singing:
DOWD (11/5/00): I Feel Pretty
I feel stunning
And entrancing,
Feel like running and dancing for joy . . .
O.K., enough gloating. Behave, Albert. Just look in the mirror now and put on your serious I only-care-about-the-issues face.
That’s right—two days before the nation voted in one of its most consequential elections, Dowd pictured Candidate Gore at the mirror, singing—what else?—“I feel pretty.” Thanks to Hoyt’s intervention, we now know why Professor Dowd did that; why she said Gore was “so feminized he was practically lactating;” why she called Edwards “The Breck Girl” so often; why she described Obama as “the diffident debutante” and, of course, as “a starlet obsessing on a svelte waistline.”Sorry! She wasn’t trying to ridicule Dems; she was helping us get beyond our own foolish notions! Go ahead—laugh out loud! In the same week when David Broder lied in the face of his ombudsman, Maureen Dowd had the gall to say this to Hoyt.

Awkward though it may be to say so, Dowd’s lunacy is the expression of a particular culture—a throwback form of Irish Catholic culture which most Irish Catholics have had the good sense to move far away from, long ago. But Dowd, and Matthews, and many others, have propagated this viral illness as it has damaged our public discourse over the past many years. We Irish! We sat on TV all last week and proclaimed how much we love the truth—how superior we are in that regard, thanks to our days with the nuns and the Jesuits. Tomorrow, we’ll start to revisit “four days in the life” to show you what was being said at NBC’s cable arm all the way back in December 1999. This lunatic loathing has gone on for years—sometimes in gender-based forms, sometimes not. It’s an illness—a plague on Oran. It’s time to discuss it a bit more frankly, as we do with other religious cultures which play key roles in American politics. Yes, it’s awkward to do so. But unless we want this plague to last forever, we actually need to start doing this.

Can someone explain to me why being Irish Catholic makes you lust after Bill Clinton in an unhealthy way?


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[info]mmanurere
2008-06-29 06:59 pm UTC (link)
Can someone explain to me why being Irish Catholic makes you lust after Bill Clinton in an unhealthy way?

As a lapsed Irish-American Catholic (or is "lapsed" redundant there?), I can only say...ew.

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[info]sisterelwood
2008-06-29 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Awkward though it may be to say so, Dowd’s lunacy is the expression of a particular culture—a throwback form of Irish Catholic culture which most Irish Catholics have had the good sense to move far away from, long ago.

As a practicing Irish Catholic... Okay, what the hell behavior am I supposed to be exhibiting? The women in my family have all been 'take no bullshit' and Democrats. In fact, all of my Irish Catholic family is Democrat. I know I may not be the typical example but I don't think this woman's batshit has anything to do with being Irish Catholic- I think she's just batshit.

However, this is the same country that thought the Pope was going to take over the United States when JFK was elected so...

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[info]caoilainn
2008-06-29 11:25 pm UTC (link)
I've thought that Ms. Dowd is batshit for quite a while now and yes, part of that was the HRC bashing and the other ugly generalizations she makes in her columns and her interviews and her books (yes I have read a few, I find her fascinating and icky). But I never linked it to being Irish Catholic. That conclusion seems just as wacky as Ms. Dowd.

Where have all the sane media commentators gone? ;) It is all silly and stupid. Oh, people. I love it. Craziness on BOTH sides.

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[info]sisterelwood
2008-06-30 01:26 am UTC (link)
It really does! I still don't even quite understand what particular part of the Irish Catholic culture she's expressing. Is it thinking that men should be men and women should be in the kitchen and popping out babies? Pretty sure that's a trait that was shared by most every culture that came to be in the United States for a long time. I've read the article five times now so someone, please, tell me if I'm anywhere near correct. O_o

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[info]sevendeadlyfun
2008-06-29 07:41 pm UTC (link)
Irish-American and totally repulsed by Bill Clinton. Am I doing it wrong?

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[info]rhiannonmr
2008-06-29 07:50 pm UTC (link)
Irish Catholic and furious that she's using her ethnic heritage and religion as an excuse for being an asshat! I'm thinking she may need rehab of some sort or at the very least some sort of therapy. She has issues.

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[info]watersword
2008-06-29 09:14 pm UTC (link)
When I saw that in the Times, I threw the A section across the room and yelled BULLSHIT. Maureen Dowd is so full of crap it's a wonder she can stand up straight.

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[info]tardis
2008-06-29 11:26 pm UTC (link)
Um. As much as I disagree with NYT columnists, can you point out examples of Dowd's Bill Clinton-Lust?

And being mean to Hillary is not an example.

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[info]smashingstars
2008-06-30 03:08 am UTC (link)
I'm not the OP, but I know how to use Google:

http://thegspot.typepad.com/blog/2008/04/my-maureen-dowd.html

http://www.iamtrex.com/?p=1217

And I don't have an account with NYT, but used the search function through all of MoDo's articles and got this:
Your search for clinton penis in Maureen Dowd returned 608 articles


I was too lazy to search for more.

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[info]sisterelwood
2008-06-30 03:15 am UTC (link)
Your search for clinton penis in Maureen Dowd returned 608 articles

Um, WOW. I think someone has a problem.

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[info]smashingstars
2008-06-30 05:44 am UTC (link)
After doing that search, I think it's me. *shiver*

By the way, I found 1221 total articles for Dowd on the NY Times site, so 608 of them is nearly half. Ew.

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[info]jkefka
2008-06-30 03:49 am UTC (link)
Your search for clinton penis in Maureen Dowd returned 608 articles

That made me guffaw and then facepalm, and then I showed it to my girlfriend and she basically did the same thing. Your brain just kind of goes "it's funny, but for the love of god don't actually think about it"

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[info]joye
2008-06-30 07:25 am UTC (link)
Didn't she win her award for reporting on the Lewinsky scandal though? I mean, unfortunately, given the subject, it's not totally unreasonable to use both those terms in the same article on that scandal.

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[info]joye
2008-06-30 07:30 am UTC (link)
Ok, I've read that G Spot article now and I'm going to switch to the interpretation that she's obsessed.

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[info]tardis
2008-06-30 04:40 pm UTC (link)
I believe you with Dowd's obsession, but I don't think she writes that in her columns.

I can't find those articles. You find that when you do clinton or penis. And there's only two articles with the word penis in them.

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[info]smashingstars
2008-07-01 01:34 am UTC (link)
I'll take your word for it. The NY Times doesn't like my browser and I wasn't inclined to dig out IE just to look articles up for someone else.

It's not really a matter of you believing me or the OP about MoDo. Go look stuff up and decide for yourself.

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[info]tardis
2008-07-01 01:44 am UTC (link)
Sure it makes more sense now in the context of Lewinsky. I'm on the same page now.

It's just that I usually read Dowd's articles and was positive that half of them didn't deal with Clinton's penis.

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[info]frequentmouse
2008-07-01 04:38 pm UTC (link)
No, half of them deal with Dowd's own irrisistable sexual allure.

Maureen Dowd is why we stopped subscribing to the NYT, after we had earlier cut premium cable and a local paper to afford it.

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[info]dreamer_marie
2008-06-30 01:36 pm UTC (link)
I read an account once by someone who was at a dinner party with her and apparently she spent the entire time talking about who Clinton was sleeping with. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I read it, or I would link to it.

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[info]tardis
2008-06-30 04:43 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, the other commenter posted a link to it. But since she became famous because of the Lewinsky scandal, it makes a little sense to make a big deal about it.

She's still probably socially inept.

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[info]pipssister
2008-06-30 08:39 pm UTC (link)
She's still probably socially inept.

Considering when Monica Lewinski met her and asked, "Why do you keep picking on me?" and Maureen Dowd responded, "I don't know." I'd give your assessment a "yes."

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[info]caoilainn
2008-06-29 11:28 pm UTC (link)
Can someone explain to me why being Irish Catholic makes you lust after Bill Clinton in an unhealthy way?

I don't think that anyone with a grip on reality can. So sorry about that.

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[info]snarkhunter
2008-06-30 02:48 am UTC (link)
The only thing Maureen Dowd's Irishness has to do with her writing is the fact that she's a banshee.

Gendered attack? Probably. But given her general refusal to display anything like reason or ... I don't even know! I can't get beyond reason! Banshee works for me.

Plus, whenever I see her name, I sense impending doom.

(Hey, OP: are you the same dreamer_marie who's on Jezebel?)

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[info]dreamer_marie
2008-06-30 01:34 pm UTC (link)
Yes, that's me, but I got banned for being one of those mean girls in High School (Jezebel is not fandom_wank. Who could have known?). I'm girlscientist now, but I haven't commented there in a while.
Didn't we have a discussion on Jane Austen there once?

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[info]snarkhunter
2008-06-30 01:47 pm UTC (link)
We did! My username was taken when I registered for Jezebel, so I go by snarkhunting there, but yes, that was me.

It sucks that you got banned! I have you friended as girlscientist, too. Didn't realize you were the same person.

Commenting there can be such a friggin' minefield. Who's to say what's an acceptable level of snark? Oh, wait. The mods, right. *eyeroll*

I like it better here, but can't seem to stay away from there.

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[info]dreamer_marie
2008-06-30 02:08 pm UTC (link)
I wondered if you were the same person as on Jezebel, but you don't have anything in your profile on JF, so I couldn't be sure. Since I'm an idiot, it didn't occur to me to ask.
Yeah, Jezebel can be very addictive, but there are a number of drama queens there. It's unbelievable how much time some people spend commenting there, you get the impression they really have nothing to do. They must be in really dead end jobs.

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[info]pipssister
2008-06-30 03:38 am UTC (link)
And by the way, let’s get clear on one basic point: No, she hasn’t done this sort of thing to Democrats and Republicans alike. Let’s quote Digby on this point: “Her ‘twisting of gender stereotypes’ has turned every Democrat into a mincing ponce or a blubbering mama's boy and every Republican into a macho, scotch drinking throwback or an arrogant jock.” Once in a while during Campaign 2000, Dowd did picture Candidate Bush blubbering for his “beloved feather pillow.” But she has constantly turned Dem Males into girls—and she constantly switched the scam with her trashing of man-woman Clinton. You see, Dowd is a full-blown gender nut, as Clark Hoyt said in his column.

I sense there's at least some, "Waah! How dare she attack DEMOCRATS!" to this statement because I read the useless sack of shit that was Are Men Necessary? and she had a whole essay on Bush and Cheney being girly-men.

Granted, I DO agree that her views on gender (and feminism) are absolutely obnoxious ("Feminism is great and all, but women are better if they're PRETTY! Like women from a film noir. Pretty, pretty pretty!"), but I don't agree with these guys on that point.

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[info]miss_padfoot
2008-06-30 04:48 am UTC (link)
Hmm. I read Bushworld and I thought she used to be sane.

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[info]velvet_mace
2008-06-30 06:40 am UTC (link)
I'm just vaguely astonished that she's being called out on it. For decades the Republicans (and republican slanting journalists) have been throwing out loaded often completely false terms to describe democrats on the theory that if they just repeat the pejorative enough people will believe them (and largely they are right!). No one (other than the Daily Show) has bothered point it out, and certainly they haven't gotten in trouble for it. So why is it different now? Is it because the blogosphere and non-traditional news sources have become more relevent to people than the traditional news? Are they worried that they are turning off too much of their (presumably paying) audience?

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[info]undomielregina
2008-06-30 08:06 pm UTC (link)
... ... Wait, Maureen Dowd hates the Republican party. Or have I just been misreading her columns for the past 8 years? Suddenly, I feel very confused.

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[info]velvet_mace
2008-06-30 08:19 pm UTC (link)
I have no idea where you got the impression she hates the Republican party. Did she say that somewhere?

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[info]pipssister
2008-06-30 08:30 pm UTC (link)
You know she wrote this, right?

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[info]pipssister
2008-06-30 08:28 pm UTC (link)
She is, but according to Ariel Levy's article The Redhead and the Gray Lady, some democratic journalists (and I'm guessing the Daily Howler are a part of them), consider Maureen Dowd to be ONE OF THEM for not sticking up for Clinton during the Monicagate scandal.

Dowd is assumed by most people to be a Democrat. But a certain brand of lefty will never forgive her for her coverage of the Clinton impeachment, the work that won her a Pulitzer. “A lot of people thought, Well, Maureen Dowd should be a liberal columnist and sticking up for our side,” says Mike McCurry. “They thought that she was aiding and abetting Ken Starr and the Republican hate machine, and in reality she was part of this kind of Irish-Catholic mafia that included Chris Matthews and Mike Kelly that thought Clinton’s sins were beyond the pale.”

As much as I dislike Dowd and think her gender politics are a crock of shit, I sense a lot of that "Why can't you be on OUR SIDE?" mentality is still present with these criticisms. The same sort of thing occasionally happens when The Daily Show makes fun of Democrats.

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