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	sailorcoruscant 2010-04-08 01:56 pm UTC (link)
	The comprehensive sex education I received at my single-sex high school was responsible for me becoming a complete prude until my mid-twenties. (I blame the fact that my first penis came hidden in a piece of plastic fruit. I came out of the experience with both a sound knowledge of how to use a condom and a fear of bananas harbouring surprise penises.) (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	issendai 2010-04-08 02:01 pm UTC (link)
	Forcing our schools to instruct children on how to utilize contraceptives encourages our children to engage in sexual behavior, whether as a victim* or an offender.* Did he just say that? Did he just suggest that teaching kids about condoms and the Pill encourages them to go out and get themselves raped? HOW DOES THAT EVEN (Reply to this)(Thread)

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the__ivorytower
2010-04-08 02:45 pm UTC (link)

It is akin to teaching children about alcohol use, then instructing them on how to make mixed alcoholic drinks.

Story time!

My boyfriend's parents (and to a lesser extent mine) never hid alcohol from their kids (they kept things in a cabinet safely, natch, but they didn't treat it like it was the arc of the covenant) and when the kids wanted to try it (around 8-9) they were allowed to pick something from the cabinet and give it a try. Anything.

My boyfriend picked Newfoundland Screech and I think his brother picked Fireball or something ridiculous. Needless to say, it was years before either of them tried alcohol again.

The moral of this story? Maybe, just maybe, if they treat sex like a natural part of growth and development (though not something every single person has to have, or even at the same age for each individual) instead of a fucking criminal act, people won't run off and do crazy, 'elicit' things that get themselves hurt, or maybe, people won't grow into such incredible, terrible fucksticks that they can't understand 'no' when someone tells them no.

Also, blaming sexual education for rape is rage inducing.

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jkefka
2010-04-08 02:46 pm UTC (link)

So he's flat-out trying to bully school districts in his county into taking the opt-out in the law and not provide sex ed (there is an opt-out, according to the article, but the district has to notify parents). I suppose the big issue is going to be how much those districts are in favor of the idea in the first place, because I can't imagine that he could actually go through with arresting teachers for complying with a state law without getting smacked down.

I'm not even going to address the "points" he makes. Not much point. You can't argue against ignorance and prejudice.

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	khym_chanur 2010-04-08 02:56 pm UTC (link)
	If he's actually serious, shouldn't he be prosecuting the law makers who passed the bill? (Reply to this)

finchbird
2010-04-08 03:12 pm UTC (link)

It is akin to teaching children about alcohol use, then instructing them on how to make mixed alcoholic drinks.

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

[In] order to comply with these new mandates, our schools may need to provide instruction on homosexuality and heterosexuality alike. Moreover, "gender stereotype" instruction will likely need to include discussions about transgender and transsexual individuals.

Holy shit! Making our children tolerant and accept individuals who don't fit into binary gender and sexual stereotypes? ANYTHING BUT THAT!

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chaos_theory
2010-04-08 03:17 pm UTC (link)

Oddly enough when I had DARE in Wisconsin back in the 90s, our DARE officer told us both how to make crack, where to buy pot, and how much to expect to pay for it. The sex ed teacher just pulled a condom over her head, told us all that we would die if we didn't use one every time, showed us a slideshow of close-ups of STIs, explained the various forms of birth control, and then made us play genitalia Jeopardy. It was years before I could look at a naked man without thinking "What is a penis, Alex!" (Of course, now I am ~~a responsible adult who takes safe sex very seriously~~ a slave to my base animal sexual desires.)

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faultypremise
2010-04-08 03:32 pm UTC (link)

I went to a Christian school for my elementary years and 'sex ed' (I use that term loosely) started in 6th grade. And it involved teaching us that SEX IS AWFUL AND ICKY AND YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER DO IT OR YOU WILL GO TO HELL AND BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN.

It should be noted that our Sex ed teacher was, in fact, male.

Yeah, put the fear of god into us. I remember going home and telling my mother what I learned that day. My Mom is a nurse and never had a problem teaching my sister and I the birds and the bees. Also, she is a very gentle soul, even today. But that day I heard words coming out of her mouth that I had not heard previously, nor have I heard since as she got on the phone with my principal immediately and chewed him out.

We had a new teacher for sex ed after that, a woman. And while she did try to teach us abstinence, etc, she did not try to tell us sex was evil or that we'd fry in hell for it.

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kumquat_of_doom
2010-04-08 03:43 pm UTC (link)

*raises hand* Also got the comprehensive sex education babble (ours was of the kind that said 'abstinence is the only 100% positive way not to get pregnant or an STI. But since most of you are going to have sex, here's what you need to know... and BTW this is what penises look like when they're diseased in twenty different ways. Have fun, kids!'), still a virgin (technically...) and I'm nearly twenty-two.

Admittedly there is a running bet amongst my friends as to whether or not I could beat John Barrowman in the dirty minds stakes, but I don't think that's got anything to do with whether or not I know how to put a condom on a man.

(I also boggle at the drink talk. My brother and I have been trying sips of alcohol since we were like ... four - just tiny sips at that point, mind - as our parents believed we were less likely to do stupid things with the stuff if it was treated as nothing special. Neither of us are raging alcoholics.)

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ahiru
2010-04-08 03:45 pm UTC (link)

It is akin to teaching children about alcohol use, then instructing them on how to make mixed alcoholic drinks.

Actually, I'd say it's more akin to teaching kids about alcohol use, and then teaching them the importance of drinking responsibly, knowing your limits and why you shouldn't drive drunk. But that's using logic for comparison, and who needs logic when you could have blind fear-mongering?

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	eldritch 2010-04-08 04:33 pm UTC (link)
	THIS GUY IS IN A POSITION OF POWER. TWO. HOURS. AWAY FROM ME. Excuse me, I think I need to give his office a call. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	greenabsinthe 2010-04-08 04:42 pm UTC (link)
	facepalm I knew my state couldn't go more than a few months without one of our esteemed elected officials doing anything stupid. I swear, not all of WI is batshit crazy! In fact, we're a pretty blue state, minus the halo of red counties surrounding my nice big city. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	goddessleila 2010-04-08 05:09 pm UTC (link)
	We had great sex ed in my school district. I could label a diagram of reproductive organs of both genders when I was nine. (Reply to this)

blue_linnet
2010-04-08 05:29 pm UTC (link)

"Forcing our schools to instruct children on how to utilize contraceptives encourages our children to engage in sexual behavior, whether as a victim or an offender."

what.

Encourages our children to engage in sexual behaviour as a victim? I cannot think of a way to parse that sentence that is not completely vile.

Also what do you want to bet it's one of those 'girls couldn't possibly WANT sex so if they have sex with a boy obviously they're being victimized' mindsets going on here. raaaaaaaaaaagh.

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tehrin
2010-04-08 05:43 pm UTC (link)

When are people going to learn that not telling kids about sex causes harm and not the other way around?

For example, if a teacher instructs any student aged 16 or younger how to utilize contraceptives under circumstances where the teacher knows the child is engaging in sexual activity with another child - or even when the "natural and probable consequences" of the teacher's instruction is to cause that child to engage in sexual intercourse with a child - that teacher can be charged under this statute.

Because all kids are going to want to bump uglies after hearing about sex and contraceptives. I know I did! *waves virgin flag* And the teacher is supposed to be psychic and know that the child is engaging in sex? EW.

His concern is primarily for minors having sex with other minors and doesn't mention an adult having sex with a minor. Its CREEPY. He also keeps saying "child" and not "minor" which I find unproffesional.

[In] order to comply with these new mandates, our schools may need to provide instruction on homosexuality and heterosexuality alike. Moreover, "gender stereotype" instruction will likely need to include discussions about transgender and transsexual individuals.

OH NO! THEY JUST MIGHT DISCOVER THEIR SEXUALITY/GENDER IDENTITY AND FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEMSELVES, QUESTION GENDER ROLES, AND BECOME ONE OF THOSE *GASPS* DIRTY FEMINISTS!

[These] new mandates will make my job much more difficult by converting objective human growth and development programming into a radical program that sexualizes our children as early as kindergarten. This, in turn, will lead to more child sexual assaults.

It's media and marketing to children products that are not age appropriate that sexualizes children. Look at the FUCKING BRATZ toy line or one of those stores that sells bras and high heels to tweens. They even have a term for marketing to younger children. It's called "age compression" which means pushing teen attitude on younger kids.

And, fuck, take your "If you hadn't educated the child about sex, the child would not have been sexual assaulted" and STICK IT UP YOUR ASS. ITS JUST CREEPY BLAME DISPLACEMENT.

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	cyndra_falin 2010-04-08 06:00 pm UTC (link)
	Gee and here I thought it was all about teaching kids safety and knowing how the human body works. Silly me. ITS CLEARLY ABOUT TURNING CHILDREN INTO RAPISTS AND VICTIMS!!!111eleven Guh my head hurts. (Reply to this)

	spawn_of_kong 2010-04-08 06:03 pm UTC (link)
	[These] new mandates will make my job much more difficult I'll admit, I cracked up over that bit. "OMG U GUYZ, STOP MAKING ME HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO MY JOB!" (Reply to this)

becktionary
2010-04-08 06:59 pm UTC (link)

Forcing our schools to instruct children on how to utilize contraceptives encourages our children to engage in sexual behavior, whether as a victim or an offender. It is akin to teaching children about alcohol use, then instructing them on how to make mixed alcoholic drinks.

1. No. The only accurate drinking-related analogy I can think of would be "Please don't drink to excess, kids, it's a bad idea--but if you do, they do sell hangover pills." The sex equivalent to your analogy would be "All right, and that's how sex works! Remember to study, because next week we'll be doing our in-depth on the Kama Sutra." AND NOBODY DOES THAT.

2. Speaking as a fellow Wisconsinite--buddy, I don't think you want to hide behind a booze analogy. That is not exactly the most impenetrable defense in this neck of the woods.

3. Also speaking as a fellow Wisconsinite, I had comprehensive sex education including a day where the teacher brought in examples of every kind of contraceptive currently available. And I've yet to have sex. ~~Woe is me.~~

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	elektra3 2010-04-08 08:20 pm UTC (link)
	Storytime! When I was about eleven or so, my mother ever-so-subtly left one of those what's-happening-to-my-body books lying around where I could find it. I read it avidly, feeling terribly sneaky and grown-up all the while - right up through the section at the end, which (graphically) described STIs and their effects. Frightened me off sex for years. (Reply to this)

	supersyncspaz7 2010-04-08 08:51 pm UTC (link)
	So, does Seventeen not run occasional articles describing STDs and other forms of birth control anymore? 'Cause the bulk of my sex education came from teen magazines, and not from the talk given to me by my fifth grade religion teacher (who told us everything in the most cut and dry fashion ever and made me almost never want to look at a boy I liked ever again). (Reply to this)

evilsqueakers
2010-04-08 09:37 pm UTC (link)

Uh, my school kinda wash right over sex-ed...of course I didn't have any in high school. It was all middle school (6th-7th). My sex education came from my godmom giving me books around 4th grade and then waiting until my first semester in the dorm, finding out my dorm had more STDs than any other one in the school. I was leery of bathing.

I was a virgin until a month ago and I'm 28. There was a reason why.

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rosehiptea
2010-04-08 10:35 pm UTC (link)

I went to Catholic school, though they did do an overview of birth control methods and a very insufficient one of disease. We were taught some stuff about decision-making which was supposed to influence us toward abstinence, including this weird value exercise about alligators in a river.

I lost my virginity shortly after high school, but I don't think the classes made such a big difference either way. I did feel they didn't really "get" what teens were thinking, and I really wish they'd talked more about disease, since this was the early days of AIDS.

Also anything but heterosexuality was totally skipped.

Anyway, enough with the TMI, this guy sounds incredibly stupid and I can't believe he's trying to discourage teachers from giving out correct information.

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anonyrat
2010-04-08 10:44 pm UTC (link)

I'm reminded of the time my friend went to a school-sponsored sex ed talk where they gave her a flower, had everyone in the class rip a petal off of it, and then told her that she was like that flower. Sex was removing the petals, and nobody wanted a bare stem. Other metaphors included "Would you chew gum that someone else had chewed?"

In the school's defense, I think it was one of those Trojan-fundie jobs. The principal chewed the guy out and basically got him blacklisted in the area.

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ekaterinv
2010-04-08 11:18 pm UTC (link)

We had pretty good, not great, sex education in my school. They spent half the year on "please don't do it until you're out of high school, but if you really really want to, you WILL use condoms, or else your genitalia will look like this, and by the way here's the vas deferens! Still want to do it? Memorize these diagrams. Here's a bunch of kinds of birth control and how to use condoms. More pictures of STDs!" And then spent the other half of the year on teaching girls how to say "no", that saying "no" was completely okay, that any boy that didn't accept "no" should go to jail, and teaching the girls how to defend ourselves physically, and how to file a police report. My male friends told me that they spent the second semester being hit over the head with "girls are human beings with wills of their own and if you touch them and they don't want it you deserve to rot in jail forever" messages.

So, considering sex education in my Michigan smallish town school was very much geared toward trying to prevent sexual assault, I don't get this. Also, a pretty good sex education in school made me decide that no way was I gonna have sex until I was at least eighteen and knew for sure I was ready. It also made my first boyfriend know where the clitoris was. Yay for sex education!

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agent_hyatt
2010-04-09 12:19 am UTC (link)

I don't even know what my high school's standard sex-ed program is like. When I started high school, it was mandatory for 10th graders, then when I reached 10th grade, they switched it to being mandatory for 9th graders. My whole year had a few weeks of gym class turn into sex-ed, and thanks to the way the music groups' gym classes worked, that meant we had less than half as many sex-ed classes as the other students in our year. Which in turn meant that the class got pared down to pretty much STDs and birth control, which the instructor was Not Happy about (IIRC, she said she really didn't want the class to be Scare 'Em Abstinent but to actually be comprehensive, but when you're only given 1/10th of the time you usually have, and the school requires certain topics to be covered, what can you do).

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