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luthe ([info]luthe) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2008-07-10 01:14:00
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Current mood:humanity, she sucks
Entry tags:another reason to hate people, colorblindness, doubleplusungood, wtf?

Rejection, now with that special racism flavor
William Sanders, editor of Helix, rejected a story by Luke Jackson. Typical for the publishing world, right? Not when the rejection letter praises the author for "...a good job of exploring the worm-brained mentality of [Muslims] - at the end we still don't really understand it, but then no one from the civilized world ever can...".

Naturally, a furor ensues. The recipient of the letter jumps in, *defending* Sanders.

There is bonus side wank about whether rejection letters are fair game for posting in public.

And now, baby penguins.


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[info]tunxeh
2008-07-10 06:40 am UTC (link)
Now also on Making Light.

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[info]hallidae
2008-07-10 07:05 am UTC (link)
::snort:: I like the guy's utter failure to make things better. "He's not a bigot, he's just a nasty old bastard. With a sick wife and no internet access. Oh, and he's old, so he has a right to be an ass. Did I mention he's old and his wife is sick?"

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[info]luthe
2008-07-10 07:07 am UTC (link)
I was going to link ML, but the thread is young and not wanky as of yet.

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2008-07-10 07:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]come_love_sleep, 2008-07-10 08:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hangingfire, 2008-07-10 08:56 pm UTC

[info]miraba
2008-07-10 12:59 pm UTC (link)
That's a much more satisfying wanky thread than the other ones.

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[info]skauble
2008-07-13 06:03 pm UTC (link)
I suppose this is about William Sanders' rejection letter.

Wow, I can hear his long suffering sigh coming all the way through the intertubes. I'd like to think it's because he knows he has to humiliate himself with excuses so lame I honestly thought he was going to tag on Asperger or ADD there at the end, but I have a feeling it's because he really thinks that this is a non-issue.

Also, where the hell is Sanders riding his motorcycle that there is absolutely *no* internet access?

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[info]hallidae
2008-07-10 06:53 am UTC (link)
What the- ::rest of four line comment bleeped out::

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[info]notjo
2008-07-10 07:00 am UTC (link)
SHEET HEADS????

Also, according to his friend, see, his wife is ill, and he's out of touch because his wife is ill, so I guess we should all be really really nice to the FUCKING BIGOT.

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[info]notjo
2008-07-10 07:04 am UTC (link)
But, look! Penguin!

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(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2008-07-10 07:08 am UTC

[info]notjo
2008-07-10 07:31 am UTC (link)
Also, what the SHIT is this?

“But at the same time, I can see how this implicit trust between us two white men to say such things would be seen as “problematic” by people of color.”

I have no implicit trust with anyone that they can use the term "sheet heads" without getting called on that sort of racist bullshit. My god.

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[info]luthe
2008-07-10 07:36 am UTC (link)
You have to admit, the revelation further down the thread that Sanders is non-white really brings the whole thing to a new level.

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[info]aerobot
2008-07-10 08:49 am UTC (link)
Oh come on, why would any white person refer to a brown person in respectful terms unless a brown person was around to kick up a stink?

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[info]seiberwing
2008-07-10 03:38 pm UTC (link)
...is Luke in there apologizing for that idiot?

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2008-07-10 04:19 pm UTC
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[info]skauble
2008-07-13 06:22 pm UTC (link)
Do you think Luke gets the irony that that comment was racist, too?

At this point I think that the best thing everyone supporting Sanders can do is shut the hell up. The man's enough of an asshole on his own without these people rushing in to underscore the point.

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[info]smashingstars
2008-07-10 08:09 am UTC (link)
The whole thing started here:

http://ladislaw.livejournal.com/21325.html?thread=61517#t61517

The original comment that started it was by the recipient of Sanders' email. The rejection letter is the deleted post at top, and the recipient was asking some unrelated question, oblivious to the racism.

Sanders shows up in the thread as anonymous, might be worth linking to. Also, you'll notice here:

http://ladislaw.livejournal.com/21325.html?thread=66125#t66125

that Sanders' comments are excused by writer Lawrence Watt-Evans because Sanders is part Cherokee.

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[info]smashingstars
2008-07-10 08:10 am UTC (link)
BTW, I deleted my original comment because YET AGAIN I hit enter before I copied everything into the window. Sorry about that.

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(no subject) - [info]magpiggles, 2008-07-10 09:25 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]magpiggles, 2008-07-10 03:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]florence_craye, 2008-07-10 04:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]magpiggles, 2008-07-10 10:00 pm UTC
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[info]the__ivorytower
2008-07-10 08:23 am UTC (link)
What... the fuck?

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[info]come_love_sleep
2008-07-10 08:48 am UTC (link)
This has been all over my flist all day, and I just didn't have the stamina to try and post it here...

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[info]tree
2008-07-10 12:12 pm UTC (link)
But at the same time, I can see how this implicit trust between us two white men to say such things would be seen as "problematic" by people of color.

*jaw drop*

I couldn't read after that, it all went fuzzy in a mist of what the fuck what.

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[info]acari
2008-07-10 02:18 pm UTC (link)
Got that delivered to my flist last night. *sigh*

That Sanders is not just a despicable bigot, he is also really stupid. So nobody in the "civilised world" (and, man, that phrase is an automatic fail) can understand terrorism? Huh, and here I thought Europe counted as civilised, even if only just barely. Or does that mean I imagined ETA, IRA, RAF... and they never existed?

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[info]frequentmouse
2008-07-10 05:47 pm UTC (link)
I read too much of Wiliam Sander's output during last year's Harlan Ellison: sexist jerk or worst sexist jerk? episode, and came to see him as the sort of person who has friends at all because he's yet to turn on them and rip their faces off. Not a nice man, and apparently unable to accept the fact that people might disagree with him because he's wrong and not because they're not smart enough to understand him.

And, apparently, living a pretty miserable life, but so far as I've observed being an asshole doesn't actually relieve the pain of that.

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[info]doomsday
2008-07-10 06:38 pm UTC (link)
Wow...I just...wow. Sanders must have a fucking huge sense of entitlement if he expects to send a letter full of racist garbage to a complete stranger and have it kept private. Not that Luke came out any better—or even shared the letter because he was appalled at the bigotry in it—but wow is Sanders ever delusional.

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[info]thepinkmarauder
2008-07-10 07:33 pm UTC (link)
I just read the thread over at Asimov's on this issue, and.... oh god. The lengths to which they go to supress discussion of the letter's content is skeeving me out.

http://www.asimovs.com/aspnet_forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=188&Page=0

A choice quote from the thread:

Well, all that seems like a hurricane in a tea cup!!! Just read the rejection letter (still on somes blogs). Nothing much controversial here, just some personal viewpoints from an editor on some other culture and the editorial world. I've seen far worse here on this forum.

There aren't enough frowny emoticon faces in the world for this.

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2008-07-11 08:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2008-07-11 10:28 pm UTC
Putting the "ass" in Asimov's
[info]frequentmouse
2008-07-12 03:11 pm UTC (link)
Mr. Murphy is a special snowflake, yes he is

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[info]agilebrit
2008-07-15 11:50 pm UTC (link)
It's being reported that Helix is charging authors $40 to remove their stories from the site.

Isn't that special.

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[info]agilebrit
2008-07-15 11:53 pm UTC (link)
Also special is this:

"Story removed at author's pantiwadulous request."

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