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the_sun_is_up ([info]the_sun_is_up) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2010-12-22 12:23:00


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Current mood:Peckish
Entry tags:sure we don't need no feminism

Keith Olbermann versus Twitter
It’s wanky, it’s unfunny, and it’s potentially TRIGGERING, so tread carefully.

Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks, has been charged with rape by two women in Sweden. (Some misinformation has been floating around regarding the exact charges, but you can read the accurate list of charges here at the NYTimes or here at the Guardian.)

Someone recently leaked the names of the two accusers onto the internet, meaning that anyone in the world could track down their home addresses, social network identities, workplaces, etc.

Keith Olbermann contributed to this leak by retweeting a link to a piece written by a Holocaust-denier and Wikileaks representative, which names the accusers and suggests that one of them has ties to the CIA. Also, on a recent Countdown, Olbermann held an interview with Michael Moore during which both men were dismissive of the rape allegations.

Understandably, a few people were upset by this. Sady Doyle of Tiger Beatdown led a campaign on Twitter, using the hashtag #mooreandme, in an effort to get Olbermann and Moore to apologize.

Olbermann responded by banhammering Doyle and numerous others who disagreed with him, characterizing the whole campaign as a “frenzy,” and threatening to flounce, especially after one individual using the #mooreandme tag left a tweet suggesting that Olbermann kill himself.

Then he issued a pair of Heidipologies.

Heidipology the first:

I endorse, sympathize with, and empathize with, the rape consciousness goals of #mooreandme, and have already apologized accordingly. But I cannot defend and will not accept their tactics which mirror so many of the attitudes and threats they fight. I do not know of what Julian Assange is guilty, if anything, and neither does anybody else. But given the extraordinary efforts by Sweden to extradite him, to say he is benefiting from some form of rape apologism is not fact-based. It is also unfair to condemn as anti-feminist those who merely address the juxtaposition of this prosecution to the fact that Assange threatens the secret and nefarious activities of dozens of governments. And I will not engage those who suggest that those who do not prioritize one issue to the exclusion of all others should succumb to forced financial contributions, or should ‘kill themselves' (examples of each will be retweeted shortly, along with my previous apology). The #mooreandme attacks do not help those who fight against rape, they hurt them. And indeed they feature something larger than anti-feminist. This is, to use a clunky phrase, anti-personism.

Heidipology the second:

Previous Apology (12/16): Rape has touched my family, directly and savagely, and if anybody thinks I have addressed it without full sensitivity, then that assessment is the one that counts, and I apologize. But these accusations that I "revealed" an accuser's identity by retweeting Bianca Jagger's link, or that I 'shamed' an accuser by asking a question about the prosecution of a man governments are trying to bury, or that I do not 'understand' charges that have yet to be presented in their final form, reflect exactly the kind of rushing to judgment of which I'm accused, and merit the same kind of apology I have just given.

Some of the #mooreandme folks suggested that Olbermann and Moore apologize by donating funds to rape crisis organizations. Olbermann was disinterested in these suggestions, characterizing such a donation as being akin to “buying them off.”

Moore, on the other hand, issued an actual apology while on Rachel Maddow’s show.

Edit: My mistake, he didn't apologize; what he said was that "Every woman who claims to have been sexually assaulted or raped has to be, must be, taken seriously. Those charges have to be investigated to the fullest extent possible. For too long, and too many women have been abused in our society, because they were not listened to, and they just got shoved aside."



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[info]kylenne
2010-12-22 11:20 pm UTC (link)
I don't really get how anyone still held any illusions about the "progressive" douchebro set's feelings about women after the '08 presidential primaries and all the batshit misogyny leveled at Hillary Clinton and her supporters. It's like everyone magically forgot about "how do we beat the bitch" and Olbermann's comment about someone needing to take her in a room and come out alone and all that hysteria about PUMAs, etc. ad nauseum. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally not minimizing the outrage on this, because I've been way past even the Flames on the Side of My Face point about Assange for a while now. I just genuinely don't understand how there's people that pay attention to "progressive" politics and are actually shocked by the fail. Maybe I just spent too much time on the Great Orange Satan and Democratic Underground, I dunno.

My only surprise is about Michael Moore, if only because I wasn't aware of any history of past sexist asshaberdashery on his part. As for Olberdouche, the man's descended into self-parody at this point. He really is just a "liberal" Bill-O at this point, and half the people on the Daily Show do his schtick better. He won't learn anything from this because he never does, he'll just chalk it up to hysterical bitches being hysterical bitches like he always does. At least we have Rachel Maddow.

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[info]sandglass
2010-12-22 11:24 pm UTC (link)
TBH the only real knowledge I have of Olbermann is Youtube links people send me. I can't make myself watch mainstream poltical shows...pretty much for this exact reason. And the Daily Show...ugh.

Also, Great Orange Satan and Democratic Underground? Are those blogs I should be following?

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[info]darksumomo
2010-12-23 05:02 am UTC (link)
"Great Orange Satan"=Daily Kos. I hang out there, so I'd say yes. The site owner is thinking of turning it into what he calls a "Blogspot for progressives." What it looks like is more like a mini-LJ for progressives. That transition is already looking a bit wanky.

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[info]kylenne
2010-12-25 03:35 am UTC (link)
DU *used* to be a decent liberal forum site, kind of like the anti-Free Republic, but some time ago it basically descended into FR only with Democrats.

Great Orange Satan = the Daily Kos, which is similarly shitty for genuine progressives/women/PoC/queer folks. Individual people who post diaries there can be decent but the atmosphere as a whole is fauxgressive to the extreme.

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[info]ekaterinv
2010-12-22 11:38 pm UTC (link)
See, I completely didn't know about that. I don't have cable and somehow I missed it entirely. How? I have no idea. Maybe because "leftist" men can get away with so much just for saying that women have any rights at all.

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[info]kylenne
2010-12-25 03:43 am UTC (link)
Honestly, I almost prefer right-wingers, cause at least they're upfront with their ignorance, you know? People on the left are "supposed" to know better, what with all that talk about social justice. Turns out they're steeped in the same culture as everyone else, and have just as much racism/sexism/homophobia/classism/disabilism/etc as everyone else. It's just they can talk a better game to hide the fail.

I was on a huge liberal message board for years, until they purged about 90% of the prominent LGBT posters. Some of whom were oldies and regular donors. 'Cause we got just a little too uppity in confronting the rampant homophobia on the boards.

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[info]snarkhunter
2010-12-28 06:40 pm UTC (link)
I almost prefer right-wingers, cause at least they're upfront with their ignorance

MTE.

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[info]kitt_in_socks
2010-12-22 11:42 pm UTC (link)
He really is just a "liberal" Bill-O at this point

I have this theory they were once one douchebag blowhard who was split into two.

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[info]felinephoenix
2010-12-26 11:27 pm UTC (link)
I think you might be on to something. That would explain so much.

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[info]cyan_aura
2011-01-02 08:37 pm UTC (link)
like the Mystics and the Skeksis in "The Dark Crystal." Except they're both evil. And also puppets.

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[info]kookaburra
2010-12-23 12:10 am UTC (link)
Don't forget the paroxysms of fear that "liberals" go into whenever Sarah Palin is mentioned, despite the fact that she's actually one of the LEAST scary currently prominent Right-wingers. (Not that she's not scary, but much less than Huckabee, Mitt Romney, et al)

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[info]the_sun_is_up
2010-12-23 02:15 am UTC (link)
Oh I definitely go into paroxysms when Palin gets mentioned, but they're paroxysms of lulz, not fear.

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[info]chikane
2010-12-23 07:22 am UTC (link)
To be honest, to me she's about as scary as Huckabee or Romney. I'm a foreigner, though, so my knowledge of her is what I read, on UFB and american and european newspapers and from direct quotes of her and the other two.
And I usually favor slightly conservative papers/sites (though my conservative is propably radical liberal left on American standardss... there's nothing liberal, in my opinion, about the American liberal "left")

I think there's very, very good reasons to be worried about Palin in office. And there's equal reason to be worried about Huckabee and Romney.

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[info]kookaburra
2010-12-23 07:30 am UTC (link)
Well, Huckabee has explicitly stated that women should be subservient to men as the Bible commands. (Palin obviously doesn't) He also wishes for birth control to be banned. And that people with HIV/AIDs should be segregated from the rest of society. Also that homosexuality is a public health risk. Also that abortion should be specifically banned by the Constitution.

Of course, they both share conservative views on war, taxes, etc, and those issues are a wash. But Huckabee should be of particular concern, but everyone's focusing on That Woman and How Horrible She Is, booga booga.

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[info]thebratqueen
2010-12-23 12:30 am UTC (link)
I never understood the love for Keith. I thought he was cool way back in the day when I was linked to his rant about Dubya's handling of the Gulf War when we couldn't even successfully get all the bodies out of Ground Zero. Then I found out that that rant is his whole schtick. Yet so many of my friends hail him as the second coming.

I about died when Ben Affleck did the parody of him on SNL. Spot-freaking-on, and reassured me that I wasn't the only one who didn't think that Keith crapped rainbows.

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[info]esorlehcar
2010-12-23 02:18 am UTC (link)
I haven't seen that! Clearly I need to--he annoys the fuck out of me well beyond his issues with women (and this is hardly the first example). It's not even the smug arrogance, though that's unpleasant as well; it's that, exactly as you say, rant is his whole schtick, and after you've seen it a few times, it feels like just that... schtick, and nothing more. I know he actually believes in the causes he's espousing, or the whole political donations thing never would have happened, but it feels just like theater.

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[info]thebratqueen
2010-12-23 02:31 am UTC (link)
Ask and ye shall receive: Ben as Keith.

It's still a thing of beauty. Which says as much about how good Ben's imitation is, and how Keith's schtick hasn't changed a jot.

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(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2010-12-23 10:53 pm UTC
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[info]risha
2010-12-23 12:58 am UTC (link)
I was actually surprised when I found out that Olbermann was supposedly a liberal. I don't watch television news, so I was just going by the occasional mention or YouTube link, and that had led me to believe that he was exactly like Bill O'Reilly.

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[info]the_sun_is_up
2010-12-23 02:07 am UTC (link)
See I don't pay much attention to liberal politics so I was surprised.

*loves Rachel Maddow*

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[info]tehrin
2010-12-23 02:16 am UTC (link)
He really is just a "liberal" Bill-O at this point

THIS.

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[info]kita0610
2010-12-23 10:41 pm UTC (link)
So much of this whole movement seems to place the importance of some unattainable ideal over the issues of ACTUAL PEOPLE (especially women).

We can't talk about REAL WOMEN WHO GET RAPED when the problem is clearly Big Brother Government! We can't talk about the girl whose family cut off her nose in Afghanistan (cover of...Time Magazine, I think) when the problem is The War!

You know what, I am capable of nuanced conversation! Let's TALK ABOUT BOTH.

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[info]missmercurial
2010-12-24 09:28 pm UTC (link)
Oh, God- my grandma saved that magazine for me, and I just about threw up when I saw what was done to that poor girl. (It was Time, BTW). I totally agree-why do people not get that there is such a thing as intersectionality, that acknowledging intersectionality is in fact essential to reasonable discussion? Yes, there is a strong possibility that these rape allegations are perhaps being prosecuted harder than most because of Big Brother Government, but that that does not negate the fact that rape victims are being dismissed and demeaned, and that the icky things people like Olbermann and Moore and Wolf are saying are validating cultural mores that insist that as long as it's not a stranger attacking you with a knife in a dark alley, it's not rape. Or, to borrow your phrase, nuanced conversational skillz; we haz them!

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[info]kylenne
2010-12-25 03:48 am UTC (link)
THIS. Seriously. It's not difficult, people!

Remember: if it does not directly, immediately affect white middle-class cis bros, it's a "pet" issue. See: LGBT rights, reproductive freedom, immigration (except for outsourcing IT jobs to India), anything to do with police brutality, etc.

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[info]argylespy
2010-12-24 06:10 am UTC (link)
THANK YOU. No, seriously, you said this in a much more eloquent way than I would have been able to. It baffles me that anyone still thinks he gives a flying hoot about women's rights after all of his hysterical shrieking rants about how evil Clinton was for daring to be a woman and challenging Obama.

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[info]felinephoenix
2010-12-26 11:28 pm UTC (link)
I have nothing useful to add except THIS, exactly.

(And unfortunately.)

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