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the_sun_is_up ([info]the_sun_is_up) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2010-12-22 12:23:00


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Current mood:Peckish
Entry tags:sure we don't need no feminism

Keith Olbermann versus Twitter
It’s wanky, it’s unfunny, and it’s potentially TRIGGERING, so tread carefully.

Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks, has been charged with rape by two women in Sweden. (Some misinformation has been floating around regarding the exact charges, but you can read the accurate list of charges here at the NYTimes or here at the Guardian.)

Someone recently leaked the names of the two accusers onto the internet, meaning that anyone in the world could track down their home addresses, social network identities, workplaces, etc.

Keith Olbermann contributed to this leak by retweeting a link to a piece written by a Holocaust-denier and Wikileaks representative, which names the accusers and suggests that one of them has ties to the CIA. Also, on a recent Countdown, Olbermann held an interview with Michael Moore during which both men were dismissive of the rape allegations.

Understandably, a few people were upset by this. Sady Doyle of Tiger Beatdown led a campaign on Twitter, using the hashtag #mooreandme, in an effort to get Olbermann and Moore to apologize.

Olbermann responded by banhammering Doyle and numerous others who disagreed with him, characterizing the whole campaign as a “frenzy,” and threatening to flounce, especially after one individual using the #mooreandme tag left a tweet suggesting that Olbermann kill himself.

Then he issued a pair of Heidipologies.

Heidipology the first:

I endorse, sympathize with, and empathize with, the rape consciousness goals of #mooreandme, and have already apologized accordingly. But I cannot defend and will not accept their tactics which mirror so many of the attitudes and threats they fight. I do not know of what Julian Assange is guilty, if anything, and neither does anybody else. But given the extraordinary efforts by Sweden to extradite him, to say he is benefiting from some form of rape apologism is not fact-based. It is also unfair to condemn as anti-feminist those who merely address the juxtaposition of this prosecution to the fact that Assange threatens the secret and nefarious activities of dozens of governments. And I will not engage those who suggest that those who do not prioritize one issue to the exclusion of all others should succumb to forced financial contributions, or should ‘kill themselves' (examples of each will be retweeted shortly, along with my previous apology). The #mooreandme attacks do not help those who fight against rape, they hurt them. And indeed they feature something larger than anti-feminist. This is, to use a clunky phrase, anti-personism.

Heidipology the second:

Previous Apology (12/16): Rape has touched my family, directly and savagely, and if anybody thinks I have addressed it without full sensitivity, then that assessment is the one that counts, and I apologize. But these accusations that I "revealed" an accuser's identity by retweeting Bianca Jagger's link, or that I 'shamed' an accuser by asking a question about the prosecution of a man governments are trying to bury, or that I do not 'understand' charges that have yet to be presented in their final form, reflect exactly the kind of rushing to judgment of which I'm accused, and merit the same kind of apology I have just given.

Some of the #mooreandme folks suggested that Olbermann and Moore apologize by donating funds to rape crisis organizations. Olbermann was disinterested in these suggestions, characterizing such a donation as being akin to “buying them off.”

Moore, on the other hand, issued an actual apology while on Rachel Maddow’s show.

Edit: My mistake, he didn't apologize; what he said was that "Every woman who claims to have been sexually assaulted or raped has to be, must be, taken seriously. Those charges have to be investigated to the fullest extent possible. For too long, and too many women have been abused in our society, because they were not listened to, and they just got shoved aside."



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[info]kookaburra
2010-12-23 07:46 am UTC (link)
I do live in an extremely conservative area. She and Huckabee are both very popular here. They both are on Fox News, and Huckabee was just recently on the Daily Show where Stewart talked about what a nice guy he is.

But really, this comment was more in response to Liberals who claim that Palin is the worst of the Republican field. It's almost as if there's something that makes her a more acceptable target than the others, let's see, what COULD it be...?

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[info]ekaterinv
2010-12-23 08:25 am UTC (link)
Oh yeah, no question about that. She wouldn't draw as much ire if she were a man.

I wonder if it's that Palin is more popular among self-styled "moderates". She is ragingly popular where I live, among people who think Huckabee's a loon. Popular because she is a woman. She's also better at playing politics than most whackdoodles. However, she's not very good at focusing on one thing for long.

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[info]kookaburra
2010-12-23 08:39 am UTC (link)
I think one of the main reasons is that when she first came on the scene, so many people on the left were dismissive of her because of her class - (and because of her sex but they were more circumspect about that in the beginning, before the "Palin is a Cunt" level of rabidity was reached) that it really got many people very angry, because they saw themselves in her. They spoke like her, they had families like hers with problems and challenges, and they went to State schools on scholarships like her. When she was mocked and derided for these things, it only called more and more attention to the fact that the visible liberals and democrats were completely out of touch with the poor and working class (and women). The mockery plays right into the narrative she's marketed for herself (self-made woman, against the odds and challenging the elites that stand in her way, takes Washington by storm, next on the Lifetime Channel) , and it's one that's very appealing to people who still believe in The American DreamTM.

Of course, the Republicans aren't as out of touch with the poor and working class as most Dems and Libs like to think. They are very much in touch with us, but instead of using that knowledge to help, they use it to manipulate us for their own advantage.

I do think that our first woman president, if we get one, will be very, very conservative. I don't think it will be Palin, I think it will be someone who makes Palin look downright moderate. The right has shown that they will support a woman who toes their party line, while the left has shown that it will always be "not the right time."

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[info]silrana
2010-12-23 02:23 pm UTC (link)
I think you've hit the nail on the head. When I was trying to explain to a friend back during the election why Palin was so popular with a lot of people, I said, "It's kind of nice to have a top ticket candidate who can find something in Walmart without having to send a dozen staffers in on a recon first."

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[info]eleutheria
2010-12-23 10:28 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for this, I'd really had no idea of any of it. To me Palin is as scary as Huckabee, because I am Pagan and she's made such a point of thinking that my religion shouldn't exist (and if you look at her favorite pastor there, shouldn't exist in the "should be killed" sense). Also, her views are not her own, she's a sockpuppet of her Dominionist church-- and as a former cult member, there's an extra level of scary about someone in power whose policies will be nothing more than whatever the leaders in the shadows work through her. My group was extra mild sauce compared to hers and I still shudder at the idea of voting for one of its members.

I'm not connected to the left blogosphere, I got most of my info on her from Dogemperor and Wild Hunt, and that was quite terrifying enough for me, thanks.

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[info]darksumomo
2010-12-24 06:03 pm UTC (link)
You may not be connected to the left blogosphere, but Dogemperor is. She used to blog regularly on Daily Kos. In fact, she is the reason I registered there.

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[info]sandglass
2010-12-23 11:32 pm UTC (link)
Stewart talked about what a nice guy he is.

What. Is this more of Stewart's separating personality from politics, like hating people for their sex/sexual orientation shouldn't affect if you're a nice person?

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[info]cyndra_falin
2010-12-23 11:49 pm UTC (link)
I think it was John Stewart being sarcastic.

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[info]kookaburra
2010-12-23 11:51 pm UTC (link)
Probably. The majority of their conversation was about how the Republicans were being dicks about holding 9/11 responders healthcare hostage to get the Bush tax cuts pushed through, the rest was about what a nice children's book Huckabee has written about the "True meaning of Christmas". I think it's still up on TDS website.

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[info]aliaras
2010-12-24 06:44 pm UTC (link)
I dunno, but *last* time I saw Huckabee on the Daily Show, he was getting eviscerated for lack of support for gay marriage. So...*shrug*?

And on a tangent, I don't know if it does, depending on how you go about your hating. I had a conversation once with a friend of a friend who was really nice, and friendly, and interesting, and all those things and then it came out that, well, the Bible says that God's not okay with me being gay and it's the true and inerrant word of God. After some more discussion, I had to leave, and then proceeded to have a big queer meltdown on one of my friends because I just got so blindsided by it.

Even with all that, though, she still struck me as nice. She's going into nursing, concerned about the welfare of people and animals and all that. I'd believe, and let's say for the sake of argument, she donates to several worthy charities doing good work. Does having bigoted views keep her out of the "nice people" group? I don't know if I can say that. I wouldn't hang out with her, but I can't blame my straight friend for being close with her (said straight friend and I then talked about sexual orientation later, which assured me she doesn't share these beliefs).

For that matter, at which point does bigotry make a person no longer nice? If it's explicit, "I don't think people should be gay", or if it's just the implicit stuff, the making of gay jokes and unwillingness to be seen as gay despite the stated belief that gay people are cool, does that affect things? And does that not disqualify most of us with our privilege from ever being "nice"?

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