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Yeah Yeah Beebiss I ([info]harrylovesron) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2012-01-02 10:10:00


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Entry tags:another reason to hate people, doubleplusungood, i don't even, it stops being funny at murder, jesus wept, no fucking words, what is this i don't even, wtf

Cop executes man for teasing him over darts
This comes with the usual "read comments at your own peril" caveat; aside from the linked Reddit comment, I don't intend to read any of them myself.

A man at a California bar teased an off-duty cop "Aw, you suck at darts". The cop responded by saying he can do what he wants, pulling out his gun and executing the man.

InformationLiberation article

A man at a bar in Murrieta, California ribbed an off-duty cop that he 'suck[ed] at darts,' the cop, 42-year-old Dayle Long, reportedly responded by pulling out a gun and executing him in front of a shocked crowd in an incident one man described as 'the most horrific scene I've seen in my entire life.'

Patch.com reports:

Chris Hull, a 39-year-old Temecula resident, said he was inside the bar and saw the shooting happen.

Hull said he witnessed a man walking up while Hull and a group of friends were playing darts. The man reportedly identified himself as an off-duty cop and started a discussion with the group about darts.

“We were playing darts, and he says 'I’m better at darts than you are,”' Hull said.

“My buddy says, ‘Aw, you suck at darts.’ (The man) says, ‘That’s why I’m a cop, I can do whatever I want to do.’”

Hull said his friend, identified only as Danny, asked the man, “Really, you can do anything?” The man then pulled out his gun, Hull said, and after the group repeatedly asked him to put it away he “pops three rounds into my friend Sam.”

Hull identified his friend as Sam Venettes. He didn't answer a request for Vanette's age or hometown, but said he was a "hardworking guy" who "works three jobs."

Police have not released any information on the name of the victim.

"I just watched the most horrific scene I've seen in my entire life," Hull told Patch.

"This is the worst day of my life."

It should be noted, the cop was a 10-year veteran of the force.



Reddit has a comment by David Leonard, the reporter who broke the story to patch.com, confirming the witness' account.

Hi all, this might get buried but we'll see. My name is David Leonard, I'm the reporter that broke this bar shooting and the one whose article that informationliberation post links to. (Proof after the edit line below.)

FYI, the off-duty cop was dragged into court on Friday and charged with murder.

He works in court services for the county sheriff's department (i.e. he's a bailiff). His defense attorney requested the judge ban cameras from the courtroom and the judge refused. In response, the deputy barely edged himself into the courtroom and hung out behind a doorway during the short hearing to avoid being photographed.

We got pictures of him anyway. Check out this post for images and details of the hearing/pending arraignment/DA's comments on suspected killer... http://murrieta.patch.com/articles/cop-allegedly-gunned-down-unarmed-peacemaker

He's scheduled to arraigned on Jan. 12 for murder with a sentence enhancement for use of a firearm. If convicted, he could face a sentence of 50 years to life.

I talked to a witness from inside the bar yesterday, a man who says he was DJing on the night of the incident. According to the witness, the deputy got into a fight with a group of friends over darts.

At some point, one of the friends stepped up and asked the deputy to calm down. According to my witness, the deputy turned to a manager and told the manager to "call 9-1-1", then pulled out his gun and turned it on the victim, a 36-year-old local gas station clerk.

Read that witness account here... http://murrieta.patch.com/articles/witness-off-duty-cop-shot-to-kill

All in all, it's been an absolutely mad few days down in Murrieta. We had no killings whatsoever from January 2010 up until Tuesday of this week. Then we had two killings, one triple-stabbing and this shooting in two days. Needless to say, I haven't gotten any Christmas shopping done, and my sleep schedule is more messed up than this case.

Anyway, if you have questions about the scene from the night of, the aftermath, details, my nuts job or whatever, feel free to reply and AMA. I'll be around for most of the day. I'll try to post confirmation later.

TL;DR: I was reporter on scene for shooting, wrote linked story. Cop was charged with murder, could face 50 years to life. Another witness confirms the fight was like "arguing over spilt milk."


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[info]rosehiptea
2012-01-04 05:35 am UTC (link)
What the hell.

... At least they're charging him with murder apparently, but what the hell.

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[info]harrylovesron
2012-01-04 05:46 am UTC (link)
I cannot even begin to wrap my head around the idea of just... taking out a gun and taking someone else's life over a teasing remark about darts.

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[info]cyndra_falin
2012-01-04 05:40 am UTC (link)
I..no words.

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[info]the__ivorytower
2012-01-04 06:21 am UTC (link)
Hello, mood whiplash from the previous post to this one.

What in the name of fuck is wrong with this guy?

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[info]quantumreality
2012-01-04 12:16 pm UTC (link)
I'd love to know.

That said I'll bet my entire paycheck that cop somehow scores an acquittal. Police officers are like fucking Teflon when trying to stick any kind of meaningful consequences on them for the shit they get up to.

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[info]havocthecat
2012-01-04 02:02 pm UTC (link)
My friend, a former police officer, was fired for lying about his location in his reports (over non-essential, non-criminal activities) and getting caught. He used to be the chief's protege. Now his career in law enforcement is over. Police officers are "like fucking Teflon" in some areas, I'm sure, but it's not the case everywhere.

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[info]franzen
2012-01-04 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Because that's the kind of lying that can call a cop's entire record into question. While he may have only been lying in his reports about non-criminal activities, that opens up every other report he ever made to reasonable doubt. So, yeah, that's exactly the kind of CYA police departments do because even a half-awake defence attorney can make an argument regarding "if you lied on THOSE forms, why should we trust you about THESE forms," and then you're at square one again. That's not even remotely the same as the "like fucking Teflon" argument -- the OP was talking about the long record of cops going before juries (if the DA even decides to charge them) and getting a guilty verdict in cases of excessive force, indisputably illegal activity, unjustified use of force, etc.

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[info]scifantasy
2012-01-04 03:14 pm UTC (link)
I'd take that bet. Leaving aside any concerns about right-and-wrong (clear-cut: he's in the wrong) and even somewhere-or-other (that is, what [info]havocthecat points out), the usual factors that trend toward leniency for cops charged with crimes aren't present:

He wasn't on duty.
He wasn't threatened or attacked and can't claim such (not with so many witnesses).
There isn't an "it was an accident with a taser" situation.
And, frankly...the victim wasn't a marginalized individual. (Note, I'm not saying that it isn't just as bad if he were, I'm talking about the factors that have led to cops not being punished as severely.)

For political reasons, if nothing else, the police force is going to distance itself from Long so fast it'll (cough) blue-shift.

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[info]franzen
2012-01-04 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Agreed with all of your points. I'd also add that there were a huge number of eyewitnesses. (Which is sort of ironic, since eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, but if more than one person confirms the "call 911" thing, because it happened or out of the science of faulty memory, then that is, to borrow a quote, a bingo.)

This isn't "officer on duty in [complex -- mitigation is optional] situation makes choice that is OBVIOUSLY WRONG in the aftermath" so much as "psychopath, who happens to be a cop, opens fire in a bar."

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[info]herongale
2012-01-04 07:46 pm UTC (link)
Also, the judge in this case refused the defense's request that cameras not be allowed in the courtroom. At the very least, this officer has not snagged a sympathetic decision maker to decide his case.

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[info]quantumreality
2012-01-04 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Oh, you mean like the guy who pepper-sprayed protesters in full view of many other people and ultimately, the media?

- Yes, he was on duty.
- But he wasn't under any threat at all.
- You can't "accidentally" push a pepper spray button, so he loses out there.
- College students tend to be white, though I will grant I can't tell the exact ethnic and racial composition from the photograph. That said, I agree that society can be dismissive towards the concerns of college students generally.

Gee, I wonder what happened to him.

Ooooh, real harsh administrative leave. I haven't even been able to find out if there are any charges pending, and it's been two months since then.

A civilian* who did what Lt. Pike would have been hauled up on multiple charges of assault with a weapon so fast it'd make your head spin.

My comments here? Are only the tip of the iceberg of cynicism when it comes to police officer accountability for their actions. Read the comments on reddit; somewhere around 25% of them are commenters mocking the leniency of treatment given police generally.

* I attribute the police use of this term to the increasing militarization of the police forces in general.

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[info]miera_c
2012-01-05 01:52 am UTC (link)
Um, pepper spray isn't lethal. A gun is. The UC Davis guy was a campus police officer, not a regular police officer. Radically different circumstances and outcome. Comparing them is pointless.

I share the cynicism about the punishment of police officers who commit these kinds of crimes, but as havocthecat said, the results vary widely depending on the department and the location.

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[info]fourthage
2012-01-05 04:27 am UTC (link)
Um, pepper spray isn't lethal

I beg to differ.

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[info]freezer
2012-01-05 05:24 pm UTC (link)
Oh, you mean like the guy who pepper-sprayed protesters in full view of many other people and ultimately, the media?

You mean the protesters actively trying to prevent the police from leaving with a few protesters in custody - which would fall squarely within [info]scifantasy's parameters for "usual factors?" Say what you will about the appropriateness of Pepper Spray Cop's actions, he did not open up on a bunch of innocents.

I detect a hint of "Fuck Da Police" here.

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[info]brennalarose
2012-01-04 06:28 pm UTC (link)
Part of me is disgusted that this man ever got a badge. Another part of me wants to know if he's getting his brain checked out. There's a third part just thankful this guy actually got charged.

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[info]staroverthebay
2012-01-04 09:34 pm UTC (link)
I kind of want to know why the term "executed" is being used. That wasn't an execution -- that was straight-up homicide. 0_0

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/execute

ex·e·cute
verb (used with object)
3. to inflict capital punishment on; put to death according to law.
4. to murder; assassinate.

Huh. Okay. So technically "execute" is an okay word to use, but man, I wouldn't consider it in context. I always thought that using the word "execute" generally insinuated a predetermined death sentence (either in a court of law or in another setting of power) rather than... this.

(Note: not trying to criticize OP, since it's in the linked report that way, just boggling at the wording used to report the story. Mostly because otherwise I might be sick from how appalling the subject context is.)

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[info]melannen
2012-01-04 09:41 pm UTC (link)
"Execute" often gets used for any sort of cold-blooded murder by a figure of percieved power - so you hear about "execution-style killings" or "mafia execution". I think what they're trying to imply with that word is that the policeman considered himself judge, jury and executioner - without implying that they agree with him about that.

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[info]veneotaqueen
2012-01-04 10:19 pm UTC (link)
It say something about me or the country where I live that, after reading the news, my first thought was "Why is this people so worked up? It's just like another weekend on Petare, Catia or Caucagüita, this police dude will even say that the dart guy was an 'azote de barrio' (local slang for a neighbourhood/ghetto/slum particularly vicious criminal) and everything will be happy and fine for him."

And then I realized that this thing isn't right here in Backwaterland either, and the only reason it seems "common" enough is that here is the only place where thugs are the good guys (or at least the President says so), and many thugs become cops because there is so much crime the Police cant even regirter or track everything.

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[info]tehrin
2012-01-05 08:29 am UTC (link)
The city is a very good area with low crime so I'd be pretty surprised if the cop pulled that card.

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[info]freezer
2012-01-05 05:26 pm UTC (link)
I wouldn't: Sounds like the guy is deep in "no defense" territory.

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