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BOF ([info]bof) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2009-03-03 18:13:00


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Endangering somebody is okay when you do it under your real name
Picked from [info]wank_report.

In the beginning of the year, Seeking-Avalon posted an open letter to Elizabeth Bear aka [info]matociquala about the representations of people of color in fiction. After Bear's initially reasonable response, a wank broke up among her supporters and friends and lead to Writing The Other/Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of DOOM '09. One of the participants in the debate was [info]coffeeandink, who also posted a public warning about Will Shetterly, who is a general fail person.

Now, Shetterly and Kathryn Cramer have been actively trying to out [info]coffeeandink's real life identity, with Cramer making accusations about [info]coffeeandink hiding behind anonymity and Shetterly making speculations about [info]coffeeandink's personal life and background. [info]coffeeandink has posted about this in her journal.

Apparently, Shetterly and Cramer both backed off when warned. But now they expect apologies for that. ETA: Appeared to back off, actually. As told by [info]vito_excalibur, Shetterly is now banned from Feminist SF Wiki for his efforts to reveal [info]coffeeandink's name.

Update: Kathryn Cramer has now password-protected her entire blog. There are screenshots of her post about [info]coffeeandink here and here, with [info]coffeeandink's name removed. Earlier she redirected those who tried to access her blog to a site with possible malware.

Update 2: [info]greyorm is now intentionally outing [info]coffeeandink.

Update 3: Shetterly has opened his ignorant trap again.

Update 4: Cramer is back to demanding an apology.

Update 5: A new general summary by [info]rydra_wong. [info]arionhunter has made a post about Elizabeth Bear's reaction.

Relevant posts

General summary of what's been going on.

[info]rydra_wong has a link masterlist here and more posts in her race fail-tag. [info]coffeeandink has her own race fail-tag here. Seeking-Avalon has a timeline about the original racefail here.

And if you want some comic relief, [info]mtgat has Meta in Song.



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[info]galletas
2009-03-03 04:35 pm UTC (link)
So much fail it makes me sad. :(

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[info]pipssister
2009-03-03 04:42 pm UTC (link)
Re: Shetterly, Cramer. I've never seen a pair with such DETERMINATION to be total assholes in the name of being right. And I've been going to wank communities for YEARS.

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[info]misachan
2009-03-03 04:56 pm UTC (link)
Nobody but nobody wanks like pro authors. Especially spec fiction authors.

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(no subject) - [info]billymasqets, 2009-03-03 07:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2009-03-03 11:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kalakagatha, 2009-03-04 02:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2009-03-04 05:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aoibhe, 2009-03-03 11:51 pm UTC

[info]vito_excalibur
2009-03-03 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Oh, they've backed right back on again. Will especially kept trying to stick [info]coffeeandink's name back on the Feminist SF wiki before he got banned.

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(no subject) - [info]bof, 2009-03-03 05:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2009-03-03 05:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]brown_betty, 2009-03-04 05:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]fairestcat, 2009-03-04 06:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2009-03-03 07:21 pm UTC

[info]bigbigtruck
2009-03-03 05:40 pm UTC (link)
So, essentially, some people were so angry upon hearing "racism exists in SF and the SF community" that they... what? Why?

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(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2009-03-03 05:49 pm UTC
Now is the winter of our FAILcontent - [info]billymasqets, 2009-03-03 07:43 pm UTC
Re: Now is the winter of our FAILcontent - [info]cairea, 2009-03-04 02:30 am UTC
Re: Now is the winter of our FAILcontent - [info]billymasqets, 2009-03-04 06:16 am UTC
Re: Now is the winter of our FAILcontent - [info]cairea, 2009-03-04 06:32 am UTC
Re: Now is the winter of our FAILcontent - [info]kalakagatha, 2009-03-04 02:07 pm UTC
Re: Now is the winter of our FAILcontent - [info]cairea, 2009-03-04 05:42 pm UTC
Re: Now is the winter of our FAILcontent - [info]kalakagatha, 2009-03-04 05:58 pm UTC
Re: Now is the winter of our FAILcontent - [info]starkeymonster, 2009-03-06 04:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2009-03-03 05:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]starkeymonster, 2009-03-04 03:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dez_chan, 2009-03-04 05:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2009-03-04 07:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]starkeymonster, 2009-03-06 04:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2009-03-04 06:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]starkeymonster, 2009-03-06 04:36 pm UTC
Mod Note -- Reminder.
[info]pyratejenni
2009-03-03 06:16 pm UTC (link)
Don't post links [info]coffeeandink's real name.

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Re: Mod Note -- Reminder. - [info]bof, 2009-03-03 06:27 pm UTC
Re: Mod Note -- Reminder. - [info]pyratejenni, 2009-03-03 06:32 pm UTC
Re: Mod Note -- Reminder. - [info]bof, 2009-03-03 06:38 pm UTC
Re: Mod Note -- Reminder. - [info]sandglass, 2009-03-03 09:56 pm UTC
Re: Mod Note -- Reminder. - [info]pyratejenni, 2009-03-03 11:07 pm UTC

[info]zyna_kat
2009-03-03 06:39 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Fail piled on top of fail. Because the first big, stinking pile o' fail wasn't big or stinky enough?

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Bad link heads-up
[info]thebratqueen
2009-03-03 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Kathryn Cramer keeps changing the link to her post that does the real name reveal. I know it won't get linked here per mod rules, but since it shows up in various posts that discuss the fail I figured better to give warning since the site she redirects people to may have malaware on it.

So be careful where you click if following links to her blog.

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Re: Bad link heads-up - [info]bof, 2009-03-03 06:58 pm UTC
Re: Bad link heads-up - [info]thebratqueen, 2009-03-03 07:01 pm UTC

[info]kalakagatha
2009-03-03 06:47 pm UTC (link)
rydra-wong's link round-ups from the very beginning of the GCADD09 are recommended reading for anyone lacking, and desiring the context and events that fall between seeking avalon's open letter and the most recent fail.

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(no subject) - [info]bof, 2009-03-03 07:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kalakagatha, 2009-03-03 07:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bof, 2009-03-03 07:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]erototoxin, 2009-03-04 05:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kalakagatha, 2009-03-04 01:52 pm UTC

[info]naienko
2009-03-03 07:51 pm UTC (link)
I gotta say, when I saw the starting entry on E-Bear's journal, I /never/ expected it to turn into this kind of spreading sticky wankpool.

/facepalm srsly, people.

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(no subject) - [info]kalakagatha, 2009-03-04 02:09 pm UTC

[info]snarkhunter
2009-03-03 07:51 pm UTC (link)
Whoa.

And damn it, Will Shetterly. I liked some of your books. I always am more suspicious of books written by known assholes.

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(no subject) - [info]tunxeh, 2009-03-04 03:57 am UTC

[info]sockpuppetofluv
2009-03-03 08:14 pm UTC (link)
The text of KC's blog post with Coffeeandink's real name, links intact but real name excised.

Screenshot of the coogle cache, again with the real name excised.

This sock recognizes the irony of socking here, but, unsurprisingly, wishes not to end up outed sockself.

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(no subject) - [info]sockpuppetofluv, 2009-03-03 08:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bof, 2009-03-03 09:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shark, 2009-03-03 10:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hangingfire, 2009-03-03 10:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]caito, 2009-03-04 01:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]witty, 2009-03-04 01:45 am UTC

[info]rosehiptea
2009-03-03 08:37 pm UTC (link)
On the plus side, at least it's a wank full of important and informative links! I read for an hour without even getting to the wanky part.

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(no subject) - [info]fools_game, 2009-03-03 09:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hector_rashbaum, 2009-03-04 03:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ickle_snowflake, 2009-03-04 06:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hector_rashbaum, 2009-03-04 07:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ickle_snowflake, 2009-03-04 11:24 pm UTC

[info]ruffwriter
2009-03-03 08:49 pm UTC (link)
... wow. I knew that this was a big topic of discussion as of late, but not that it was so... huge. Or incredibly full of fail.

On the upside, it means my flist has posted a lot of very interesting essays.

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[info]ravenscanary
2009-03-03 08:59 pm UTC (link)
Update: After changing the URL of the post in which she reveals coffeeandink's real name half a dozen times, each time linking the previous to a site known to be infected with malware, Kathryn Cramer has apparently password-protected her entire blog.

Thread from coffeeandink's LJ about this.

I've been reading this racefail stuff off and on for a long time, and it has yet to make any sort of sense.

W.T.F.

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(no subject) - [info]cirisse, 2009-03-03 09:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bof, 2009-03-03 09:31 pm UTC

[info]khym_chanur
2009-03-03 10:25 pm UTC (link)
This is a tangent, and nit-picky, but why isn't this just referred to as "The Great Racism Debate of DOOM"? From what I remember it was all over the place and there were only occasional posts on writing the other and/or cultural appropriation.

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(no subject) - [info]theonedespot, 2009-03-03 10:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]re_weird, 2009-03-03 10:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]msilverstar, 2009-03-04 07:17 am UTC
Wank: a play in three seconds
[info]goblin
2009-03-03 11:23 pm UTC (link)
W1ll Sh****ly: everything is about class! everything! racists were mean to my mom so nothing I do will ever ever be racist! I win!

internet: wait, that's crazypants. Let me explain how...

coffeeandink: internet, do not bother. Once you argue with W1ll Sh******ly, he will never disengage.

W1ll Sh****ly: This is a vicious lie! I have spent weeks editing wiki entries about you, thus PROVING how well I disengage from arguments.

internet: wut.

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Re: Wank: a play in three seconds - [info]vito_excalibur, 2009-03-04 12:51 am UTC
Re: Wank: a play in three seconds - [info]pipssister, 2009-03-04 01:40 am UTC

[info]keelieinblack
2009-03-04 12:38 am UTC (link)
Don't know if it merits a mention or not, but Shetterly's apparently deleted his entire Livejournal. All the original posts are still up on his Wordpress blog, I think, but the deletion means that his many, many instances of fail in the comments to the LJ mirror-posts are now gone.

He mentioned an 'internet holiday' so it's possible he'll un-delete it later, but for now...

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(no subject) - [info]red_eft, 2009-03-04 01:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darsynia, 2009-03-04 05:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mpoetess, 2009-03-04 09:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darsynia, 2009-03-04 12:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]red_eft, 2009-03-05 01:10 am UTC
and now he's gone again. - [info]red_eft, 2009-03-05 11:51 pm UTC

[info]hauen
2009-03-04 02:11 am UTC (link)
Good Grief! Shetterly comes off as one of the biggest assholes I have ever seen. Talk about a stuck-up, closed-minded buffoon!

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[info]kermit_the_sock
2009-03-04 03:26 am UTC (link)
this is the fail that never ends, it just goes on and on my friends...

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[info]bigbigtruck
2009-03-04 04:39 am UTC (link)
I would like to thank this wank report for leading me to some AWESOME essays.

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(no subject) - [info]darsynia, 2009-03-04 05:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rimrunner, 2009-03-05 05:21 am UTC

[info]tangentialone
2009-03-04 10:22 am UTC (link)
Wow, are Shetterly and Cramer just loathesome little pieces of shit.

I guess those are another couple of names I need to make a note of so I can be sure never to buy their books or anything they're involved with. o_O

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(no subject) - [info]nyoda, 2009-03-08 02:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tangentialone, 2009-03-08 05:37 am UTC

[info]willow
2009-03-04 12:12 pm UTC (link)
[info]greyorm is now getting into the outing and using [info]coffeeandink's name in a post where she's kissing Shitmiester's ass.

In it she states: "And now, hopefully, when "[Legal Name]" is Googled, this will pop up to her regret and frustration."

And claims that attempts to regain her privacy are [info]coffeeandink:" so desperate to hide her bullshit and misconduct that she is trying to delete all links to her part in the recent racism nonsense."

I have it capped.

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(no subject) - [info]bof, 2009-03-04 02:08 pm UTC
It came to me a couple of years ago... - [info]mediumdave, 2009-03-04 11:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ariadne484, 2009-03-04 02:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]red_eft, 2009-03-04 11:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amadi, 2009-03-04 11:41 pm UTC

[info]lil_miss_stfu
2009-03-04 02:41 pm UTC (link)
There is some funny to be had over at [info]mtgat's journal, although if you're prone to earworms maybe not :P

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(no subject) - [info]bof, 2009-03-04 06:12 pm UTC

[info]nostariel
2009-03-04 03:03 pm UTC (link)
This makes my head and my heart hurt in equal measure. :(

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(no subject) - [info]hangingfire, 2009-03-04 10:59 pm UTC


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