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melannen ([info]melannen) wrote in [info]unfunnybusiness,
@ 2008-04-22 17:40:00


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Current location:a lesbian separatist utopia
Current mood:Gobsmacked
Current music:Kermit the Frog - It's Not Easy Being Green
Entry tags:oh john ringo no

OH JOHN RINGO NO
The Open Source Boobs Project: Dear sir: I believe your patriarchy is showing.

The second post linked there had comments disabled, with a pointer to comment at the first post. The first post now has two heidipologies appended to the top, and he somehow managed to delete all 1300+ comments accidentally in the process of locking them. (Despite having been on LJ since forever and hosting many popular discussions.) I have a few of the upper-level pages in cache; anybody have more? ETA:Comments appear to be back for now; you can now follow comment links in peoples' posts.

For those of you who have been lucky enough not to see this yet, basically, some SF fans were trying to start a utopian project where anybody wearing a green "Yes, you may" button may be punched in the face for being gratuitously stupid. (And a slightly more hard-core swift kick to the balls version.)

It spreads: (These links all have lots of good discussion in comments too.)
Coffeandink's response
Kate-nepveu's response
Springheel-jack's response
the-red-shoes's response
brown_betty's response, and a poll
nestra's response
cereta's response
Mystickeeper summarizes
Rachel Manija's response part 2
thebratqueen's response
elynross's response
seperis's response
ojouchan's response
movies-michelle brings out the big guns
go-go-gidget/rowleyorama's response
pixelfish's response
pleonoastic's response
blueraccoon's response
oulangi's response
RivkaT on Open Source and the Endowment Effect
plasticsturgeon's Open Source African Hair Project
sparkymonster, compiled.
giandujakiss part 1 and part 2
tablesaw's lj post
liz-marcs's post
James Nicoll host a discussion
The ladies at Dear Author
cynthia1960, with bonus fuckwittery in the comments
novapsyche, who participated and thought it was a neat idea ... until she read theferrett's post and got the details
auryn29a ran a poll (please don't flood it, she's not one of us)
shoutingboy asks about open-license pictures of boobs, and gets answers
pantryslut concisely explains why it doesn't work that way.
mcsnee, for a view of the other side
serenejournal hosts a discussion
vito-excalibur starts the Women Back Each Other Up Project also, free icon!
rhienelleth tells it like it is
deepad understands about red buttons
caras-galadhon part one and two
sorchar's response
darkrosetiger's response
ceteramisto's response
seiberwing's response
ginmar!
Tamora Pierce's response
crevette's response
Mr. Goodwraith wants to touch your dolls.
timjr offers a straight geek male's guide to interacting with females.
from furikku, we can has macro!
synecdochic noodles around; How not to be That Guy
blessed-harlot wants people to think about the supporters' feelings
trinityva concurs
amanuensis thinks about utopia
ninevah-uk writes Lord Peter fic
immlass part 1 part 2 part 3 and a bingo card!
nicked-metal's response
uppityliberal's response
desdenova's response
snurri Is Concise
delux-vivens's response
Karnythia part 1 part 2 part 3
cbpotts has two daughters
nihilistic-kid's response
fengi's response
elusis's response
sinboy's response
lauredhel's roundup
perpetual-lent's response
emmelinemay's response
Netmouse gives another participant's view
ladyjax's response
desdenova's response
isako/isa's response
glvalentine offers a PSA
k. tempest bradford's response
wicked-sock's response
miriammoules's response
chash's response
shaysday's response
mlleelizabeth's response
kita0610 is poetic
emrinalexander's response
ursulav's response
The mst3k comm suggets Open Source Torgo
Highwaywest: Jason's Guide to Con Flirting
...And Auntie Penknife's Guide to Flirting for Men
bad-goth wonders why we are teaching them to flirt
nevermore999's response
the-rook's response
sf_drama is full of drama.
The dragon*con lj comm is also full of drama
all (117 185 237!) searchable lj posts which link to the original... (There are around a hundred of them linked here as of one week later. Those are a) from fic fandom or journalfen people; b) widely linked; and/or c) do something notably different from others.)
Cheapass games forum. I think I'm most boggled by the fact that they're *spoiler-cutting* the ending.
Jezebel joins in
Get Off The Internet wants to borrow some lye
Pandagon
punkassblog
Hoyden About Town
designated sidekick does some kicking
Bookworm's response
i bloviate talks about slut-shaming (btw, if anybody actually saw people doing this? show us the links, 'cause that's not on, sister.)
Slog at The Stranger
naamenblog is incredulous
Karen Healey at Girls Read Comics - And They're Pissed
GWOG responds
You Are Dumb responds
Occasional Superheroine responds
Me And My Red Stapler responds
Written World responds
Smart Bitches, Trashy Books responds
Rusty-halo's response
Feminist SF - The Blog speaks up
Feministing throws in
Scalzi's response part 2
Oh boy, metafilter is here!
Randy Milholland has T-shirts!
the abortive otf_wank post - DO NOT COMMENT THERE - this is *so* not funny (crotch-kicking aside) - but it's a pretty good write-up if you want more than bare links. ETA: Comment all you want, with mod approval. It now features a boobie train. Hooray?

Comment thread links, readable for now:
Loligo makes an excellent suggestion, followed by excellent discussion.
Tablesaw is win.
More face-punching. (I wonder why so many people were thinking along those lines?)
mswyrr is also win.
sparkymonster explains cloven oranges.
He has addedThe court of public opinion has added tags to the entry now. o boy.
A LOLFerrett from robin_ma

A list of penguicon con reports - there were also giant pirate ships and singing Tesla coils there!

ETA: Just added a bunch more response links (I find wank migration patterns fascinating, I can't stop looking) and there are twoa few I want to point out in particular:
vito-excalibur and the Women Back Each Other Up Project: "I would like to propose a little real world help for a real world problem."
Back-up follow-up: We Has T-shirts and buttons! (There will be fliers!); Men's Auxiliary; Why men are only auxiliary; It's About the Problem.
novapsyche, for a perspective from someone who actually wore a green button: "if I'd read theferrett's post about OSBP before someone offered me the pin, I would have turned it down."
nineveh-uk writes Harriet Vane & co. vs. OSBP: ‘And then someone started going on about post-lapsarian inhibition, and how the only free soul was in a free body -’
The Boobie Project entry on Feminist SF - The Wiki, which has a great link round-up with chronology and edit history and commentary and things!
the-red-shoes collects soundbites! "Should fit on a t-shirt."

LAST ETA: I have just disabled anon comments; porn spam has started arriving faster than legit discussion, sorry. If any anons want to keep talking, well, you can get a JF account!

Will be adding more links as I find them (feel free to drop them in comments); but as much of the great discussion was in the comments of the OP and is now gone, I wanted to get this up as soon as possible. ETA: Now adding more links. If you don't want your post linked, ask and it's gone.

Discuss!



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[info]notjo
2008-04-24 01:14 am UTC (link)
There's certainly interesting stuff going on in his tags on this post....

a bit sad, agree with me or you're a prude, among the stupid the semi-stupid is king, basic decency is oppressive waaah, boobs =/= public domain, boobs drooling over boobs, can i touch your manboobs?, charizard hates your mom, crap thoughts on personal space, desu desu desu, don't judge me, elrond hates your sexist bullfuckery, entitlement complex - i has it, farmer ted, fauxpology, feminists are big meanies, getting back at the mean girls, getting your tits groped is feminist, half-assed passive-aggressive apologies, hi! i'm a jackass!, huh i didn't know backpedaling was spell, i don't understand peer pressure, i like nips, i'm a man so the world owes me boobs, i'm a misogynist jerk, i'm an ass, i'm so progressive, inability to set boundaries, king of the geeks, let me validate you, look but don't touch, male entitlement syndrome, male privilege, may i squeeze your waistflab?, molestation is totally respectful, molesting strangers is cool, my sexual enlightenment let me show you, neanderthal gratification, nearly 2000 years after one man had been, no social skills necessary, o hai passive aggression, objectification, part of the kick in the balls project, passive system, personal boundaries = prude, pretentious bullshit, really crap heterosexual ferret, shut up spelling nazi!, shutting down comments = nobody disagree, silly feminists and their personal space, so ronery, stfu and diaf plz, stupid women with their bodily autonomy, then they came for the lawn gnomes, this is not open source, unmitigated asshattery, very poor backpeddling, very poor spelling of "backpedaling", waaah feminists, when "nice guys" aren't nice at all, white people like sandwiches, why i'm scared to go to cons now, you people and your personal space, your boobies: give me them

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[info]notjo
2008-04-24 01:16 am UTC (link)
(BTW, what is it about Nice White Guys who are all "basic decency is oppressive"? Today I had an argument where someone really said it's UNFAIR to have to call people what they ask to be called because it's THOUGHT POLICE!)

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flightstothesea
2008-04-24 01:40 am UTC (link)
Most of them are bitter about their lack of success with women, so they've got a permanent chip on their shoulders?

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[info]notjo
2008-04-24 01:41 am UTC (link)
That would make sense - this one also STILL argues that he "let me go" when I broke up with one boyfriend and then started dating another. Being that I had never had any interest in dating HIM, I'm not quite sure what he let go of, but....

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[info]brown_betty
2008-04-24 03:46 am UTC (link)
Well, as we have seen, when you give a man ultimate power, the first thing he does is start handing out strange nick-names like Turd-Blossom, Brownie, and Speedy. Probably Nice Guys resent their inability to do this.

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[info]anonyrat
2008-04-24 05:16 am UTC (link)
Because they made the Herculean effort of being nice to inferior beings and they're not getting showered with blowjobs and compliments for it.

I actually heard someone bragging once about how he took a female friend home after a party and didn't take advantage of her while she was falling-down drunk. He was so pleased with himself. I was like "Congratulations, dickface, you've achieved the bare minimum of human decency."

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[info]sorchar
2008-04-24 07:33 am UTC (link)
That reminds me of Chris Rock's routine about people bragging about doing shit they're supposed to do. "Well, I ain't never been to jail!" "Dumbass, you supposed to stay out of jail!"

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[info]ms_treesap
2008-04-24 10:47 am UTC (link)
Which is why I keep this in my bookmarks:

http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2007/12/16/the-internet-nice-guy-rears-his-ugly-head-once-more/

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[info]tsubaki
2008-04-24 08:01 pm UTC (link)
When so much of a society is tailored to you, 1. you don't notice, because you haven't had to and 2. noticing is HARD WORK. People do not like hard work so much. The best people are willing to do the work anyway.

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[info]damien
2008-04-24 07:16 am UTC (link)
Clearly, his inner feminist is asserting herself via tags.

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[info]khym_chanur
2008-04-24 10:59 am UTC (link)
then they came for the lawn gnomes

*snerk*

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UPDATE!
[info]damien
2008-04-24 12:02 pm UTC (link)
You can add your own tags! They disappear at strange intervals, making me think he's removing them, BUT you can still add more if it looks bare to you.

Not that I'm suggesting people do that, of course. Don't troll the wank, etc etc-- Oh wait, this isn't a wank comm. Are we still expected to refrain from taking part?

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Re: UPDATE!
[info]notjo
2008-04-24 12:06 pm UTC (link)
I would say don't get directly involved.

On the other hand, I have made posts - as have several other people.

But... I would still say don't get directly involved.

I am not a Mod, and I do not play one for the purposes of this comment.

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Re: UPDATE!
[info]melannen
2008-04-24 12:56 pm UTC (link)
I would go with "Don't troll", but using a much looser definition of what Troll means than the official _w's do - i.e. only be an asshole if they started it, don't dogpile unless they're already being dogpiled by everyone else. But other mods should probably weigh in too, I don't think we came up with an actual policy.

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Re: UPDATE!
[info]pyratejenni
2008-04-24 03:54 pm UTC (link)
I'm the owner and only mod.

It's better to make our own beautiful, liberating,tag suggestions here. I like "get off the cross we need the wood" myself.

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Re: UPDATE!
[info]melannen
2008-04-24 04:27 pm UTC (link)
I thought you, sashenka, and me were still working together on here? We're all still listed as maintainers, and I don't remember a discussion. But we haven't discussed anything for awhile; if you want to change things, e-mail me?

But, yeah, if all people want to do is be snarky, they should probably keep it here.

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[info]pyratejenni
2008-04-25 04:18 am UTC (link)
Oh, fucking meow. I checked the wrong comm. >.< I'm blaming the lack of caffeine intake.

Myself, I don't care if people reply to the commentary posts, but the main post should be left alone.


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[info]melannen
2008-04-25 06:10 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I figured that must have been it after awhile. No worries.

If you do want to stage a coup here, I don't actually mind (I haven't put half the effort into it that you have anyway) just let me know first please?

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Posting at UB means never hearing "Where's Teh Funneh?"
[info]pyratejenni
2008-04-25 08:53 am UTC (link)
If you do want to stage a coup here, I don't actually mind (I haven't put half the effort into it that you have anyway) just let me know first please?

Not that ambitious. XD

The comm's doing pretty well as is, all told. Looks like having a place to go "OH JOHN RINGO, NO!" over is a nice safety valve for folks.

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-25 02:25 am UTC (link)
I helpfully added "my apology is pastede on yay" on that post before he took aware our tagging privileges. :'(

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