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(Anonymous)
2010-10-08 04:07 pm UTC (link)

I don't think anyone in otd_f objects to asexuals watching or reading the comm, I think most of the objects are to the idea that asexuals are an oppressed queer group.

Also, the fact that a queer group let straight people in is irrelevant. Some queer spaces feel safe for queer people because they don't have to worry about including straight people. It is okay to let minority groups have a space of their own, straight people by default get most of the rest of the spaces out there!

	(Anonymous) 2010-10-08 04:10 pm UTC (link)
	Well, the hetero-romantic asexuals I know DO face oppression every day, and are considered queer by most straight people I know. I'm not saying it's not okay for minority groups to have spaces of their own, but when you're excluding members of your minority because of that, then it's getting a bit ridiculous. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2010-10-08 05:12 pm UTC (link)
	but when you're excluding members of your minority because of that, then it's getting a bit ridiculous. They're not members of our minority though, they've never been oppressed for loving a person of the same sex. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2010-10-08 09:10 pm UTC (link)

So, what about hetero-romantic asexuals who get called queer on a regular basis, then?

(Also, that comment was more about the fact that when you go overboard in the whole KEEP HETEROS AT LEAST 100 METRES AWAY AT ALL TIMES, you can, sometimes, exclude members of the LGBT community who don't feel comfortable entering themselves, or feel alienated. When I was dating someone of the opposite sex, I felt very alienated by the queer groups in my area, even though I am part of the LGBT community. I was told I wasn't allowed to enter some spaces, because I was choosing to live life as a heterosexual.)

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	(Anonymous) 2010-10-08 09:20 pm UTC (link)
	Are you seriously arguing that we should welcome any straight person who gets called queer? Seriously? Because thanks to high school bullies half the fucking world is now queer. If you choose to live life as a heterosexual you don't get to ignore your passing privilege. Too many bisexuals demand the best of both worlds, and they can fuck right off. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2010-10-08 10:15 pm UTC (link)

Yes, because it had nothing to with the fact that the person I was most attracted to at the time was male. I should have just dated a random girl that I didn't like as much in order to maintain my queer friends. That's definitely the way to live life. I'm not trying to demand the best of both worlds, but I would prefer it if I could still go to counselling at a Rainbow Centre, or have lesbian friends, without having to deny the fact that I am equally attracted to men and women.

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	(Anonymous) 2010-10-08 10:19 pm UTC (link)
	That's not what's being said so take your fucking martyr complex and shove it up your ass. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2010-10-09 03:50 pm UTC (link)

"If you choose to live life as a heterosexual you don't get to ignore your passing privilege. Too many bisexuals demand the best of both worlds, and they can fuck right off."

Yeah, that was not what was being said AT ALL. After all, a bisexual CHOOSES his/her sexuality! They want the best of everything, I tell you! Depraved sex-crazed individuals seeking to corrupt our youth, encouraging them to sleep with BOTH GENDERS!

Aaaah, it is always so nice to establish the fact that a minority discriminated against can always find a minority to hate in turn.

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(Anonymous)
2010-10-10 03:01 pm UTC (link)

/different anon

I'm sorry to make you angrier, but that's how it read to me, too.

I'm bisexual and monogamous. That's how I was born, that's how I am. I didn't choose it, it chose me.

Whether my partner is of the same sex or the opposite, I'm still queer. I'm not "choosing" to live gay or straight - I. Was. Born. This. Way.

I am not a homosexual who cannot admit it.
I am not a heterosexual trying to be edgy.
I am not a woman trapped in a man's body or a man trapped in a woman's body - *not* that there's anything wrong with being trans. ("trapped" yes, trans no)

I am a bisexual. I am monogamous and in a lifetime commitment. I am queer.

If you disagree, that's your damage.

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(Anonymous)
2010-10-10 09:52 pm UTC (link)

I demand 'the best of both worlds' because it is my RIGHT to be acknowledged as a valid human being regardless of my attraction to both men and women. I don't ignore the fact that I get a certain amount of privilege when I date someone of the opposite gender. On the other hand, it doesn't mean I get accepted as straight. It means it takes people a LITTLE longer to work out that I'm queer, but the same can be said of, say, lesbians not dating anyone at the present. It doesn't change the fact that when people DO find out, I'm not acknowledged as straight. At all.

Also, you are completely excluding people. People whose only support network IRL is straight, for instance, may feel that an online queer community is telling them to either leave that entire support at the door or be rejected as not queer enough. Heaven knows that's why I avoid queer groups at times. Sorry, but not all of us feel comfortable ignoring the only people in our lives who stick up for us in all our queerness just because they're straight.

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	(Anonymous) 2010-10-11 04:10 am UTC (link)
	Of course they ask for the best of both worlds. They're bisexuals, not homosexuals so they swng BOTH ways. Why shouldn't they be allowed to date whomever the want? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2010-10-11 04:13 am UTC (link)
	... Same annon. Just to let you know. I was being sarcastic. >> (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2010-10-11 04:19 am UTC (link)
	Errr, as in... Damn, sometimes I suck at getting my point across. What I really mean is that, while not bisexual myself, I don't really see why someone who is, is somehow faking it if they date someone of the opposite sex. I mean, bisexual basically MEANS they are attracted to both sexes right? So... how is this a problem? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2010-10-12 12:51 pm UTC (link)
	Neither have straight trans people, they're still queer. (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2010-10-12 12:53 pm UTC (link)

THIS.

I mean, a hetero-romantic asexual talks to the average straight guy about how he loves his girlfriend but isn't attracted to her/doesn't want to have sex with her. He's probably gonna get pointed to a doctor, told he clearly needs to come out as the repressed gay guy he is, and/or told he's 'doing it wrong'. Not get told by the heterosexual 'you're totes one of us!'.

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