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	Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!) (Anonymous) 2010-12-08 04:23 pm UTC (link)
	Was the woman upset with it? No? Then it's not sexual harassment. That's not how these things work. Sexual crimes and misdemeanors are not determined by the victims' reactions but by the aggressors' actions. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!) (Anonymous) 2010-12-08 05:18 pm UTC (link)
	So telling silly, mischevious joke now constitutes as sexual crime. Good to know I've been sexually harrassing my friends, and they me, for years. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!) (Anonymous) 2010-12-08 08:26 pm UTC (link)
	This person wasn't a friend. This wasn't a social occasion. It's not appropriate for department store Santas to tell sexually suggestive jokes for all sorts of reasons, including making shoppers feel uncomfortable when all they wanted was a picture of their kid with a holiday icon, not the midnight Dean Martin show. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!)
(Anonymous)
2010-12-08 09:46 pm UTC (link)

AYRT

I mentioned sexual crimes and misdemeanors. Why did you focus only on crime?

Also, as the other Anon mentioned, how one behaves around one's friends usually is (and should be) different from how one can be expected to behave around strangers and customers. That's even what the word "friend" means: that they are not strangers anymore. So comparing how you act with your friends to how this man acted towards a female customer is not a valid argument at all.

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Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!)
(Anonymous)
2010-12-08 10:45 pm UTC (link)

WTF. Silly "sexual harassment" victims, not knowing what is REALLY good for 'em! Denying they're SEXUALLY HARASSED even when I tell them they are! D: Can't they see the truth?!

... Or maybe it was just a JOKE and nobody except perfect strangers to the scene ever complained, because it was a JOKE. You know, like something said JOKINGLY. And nobody care about.

Eck, if every joke-making guy - and gal - in the world was sexually harassing people every time they tell a sexual joke to a friendly stranger, half the world would be a sexual harasser. Sense of proportion, plz learn you some.

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	Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!) (Anonymous) 2010-12-08 11:45 pm UTC (link)
	Sexual harrassment in the workplace. Please learn what it is. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!) (Anonymous) 2010-12-09 11:58 am UTC (link)
	It wasn't the woman's workplace. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!) (Anonymous) 2010-12-09 12:51 pm UTC (link)
	It doesn't have to be the woman's workplace to constitute as sexual harrassment in a workplace. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!)
(Anonymous)
2010-12-09 08:17 pm UTC (link)

Sexual harassment. Go look it up.

Especially the "threatening atmosphere" part.

Or the very fact that harassment implies that there was more than one occasion of "harassment".

Still, this is borderline disrespectful for victims or real harassment, who see that their very real, often months- or years-long sufferings, are JUST THE SAME FUCKING THING THAN A STRANGER JOKING ABOUT SEX. It is thanks to such White Knights that anything and everything become "rape", thus effectively negating the sufferings of its victims.

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Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!)
(Anonymous)
2010-12-09 10:22 pm UTC (link)

Especially the "threatening atmosphere" part.

You mean, like sexual abuse victims who have to go around their daily life accepting that anyone anywhere is in fact allowed to comment on their sex life and tell them what it should be like, and they never have a right to be upset by any remark or joke because people don't mean it badly?

Or the very fact that harassment implies that there was more than one occasion of "harassment".

No. A single case of "Sleep with me if you want that job", for example, is enough to qualify as sexual harrassment AFAIK.

Still, this is borderline disrespectful for victims or real harassment, who see that their very real, often months- or years-long sufferings, are JUST THE SAME FUCKING THING THAN A STRANGER JOKING ABOUT SEX.

Because there are never any degrees in anything. Right.

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Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!)
(Anonymous)
2010-12-10 02:36 am UTC (link)

Or that there are more forms of sexual harassment and you keep pigeonholing it into a non applicable case.

This is a man who joked about sex while he was working. Macy's decided to execute a no-tolerance policy given the nature of where he said such jokes.

People felt distressed. The distress was sexual in nature.

Sexual harassment.

And victims of aforementioned would have even less tolerance for these kind of jokes. Even if "HEZ A NICE GUY"

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Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!)
(Anonymous)
2010-12-09 12:03 am UTC (link)

... Or maybe it was just a JOKE and nobody except perfect strangers to the scene ever complained, because it was a JOKE.

You're making my point: this joke was said by a stranger to a stranger in front of strangers, which is why it was totally inappropriate. It is never appropriate for a stranger to make such sexual jokes out of the blue to another stranger in front of yet more strangers. How hard is this to understand?

You know, like something said JOKINGLY. And nobody care about

Except that some people DID care. That's the whole POINT of the matter!

Eck, if every joke-making guy - and gal - in the world was sexually harassing people every time they tell a sexual joke to a friendly stranger,

A. Being friendly to Santa is not the same as inviting sexual jokes from a complete stranger.

B. Having a pattern of telling sexual jokes out of the blue to strangers is actually one of the definitions of being a sexual harrasser. It's not right or funny; it's horribly creepy and wrong, and also illegal in quite a few places.

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Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!)
(Anonymous)
2010-12-09 12:25 am UTC (link)

Da

I totally agree with you here. People are used to direct traditional forms of sexual harassment. But the store was justified in their choice. Whining about how the majority liked it isnt an excuse.

And I think the people saying it isn't sexual harassment are the same as those who think girls should be ok with unwanted flirting and advances. So yeah, you're dealing with that.

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	Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!) (Anonymous) 2010-12-09 06:05 am UTC (link)
	So what you're saying is, wimmens are too stupid to know when they're being sexually harassed and we need you big, brave, strong people to tell us when we are. Oh were would we be without you people around to tell us how and when to be offended. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: MACY'S FIRES SANTA (no not the movie, for reals!) (Anonymous) 2010-12-09 12:49 pm UTC (link)
	AYRT I'm a woman. And this isn't about telling a woman when she's being sexually harrassed: it's about telling everyone (men and women alike) that it's not all right to make sexual jokes to strangers who have not invited them. Just because some people are fine with something, doesn't mean that this thing is always all right and should systematically be dismissed. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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