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vanceone (vanceone) wrote in [info]wankitywank,
@ 2006-04-24 14:17:00


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Potter for Profit? Maybe!
Is selling your fanfiction at $80 dollars per book bad? Especially when the entire hardback 6 volume original series is only $20 more? Apparently, not if you are a Harry/Ginny shipper.



So, the backstory. Over here a prominent Harry/Ginny fanfiction author has a series of Harry Potter fanfiction novels for sale. The prices seem rather high--the lowest of them is $50.00 for a single book. Particularly when other novel-length fanfictions on the same site are a quarter or half the cost. Additionally, there is an audio book partially available as well, though apparently it's free.

There's been a recent upsurge in posts on F_W regarding fanfiction being sold. In this one, a poster makes a comment pointing out that not only in the Star Wars fandom does this happen, but also the aforementioned Harry/Ginny shipper has done it as well. The first few posters agree it's a bit ridiculous. But then the H/G author herself shows up and claims that it's not copyright infringement to be selling her fanfiction for large sums of money. I guess the reason why is that, allegedly, she makes no money off the deal, so it's a-ok to do this. It's also allegedly a "zine" in theory, though I've not heard of any $80 zines lately, and as far as I know most zines tend to have more than one story and different authors in them.

Needless to say, people who ridicule Harmonians for just about anything show up in droves to defend this author's right to charge very large sums of money for her fanfiction. I guess if a known H/Hr shipper points it out, it cannot be wanky (a H/Hr shipper noticing wank makes it nonwanky? Who knew?), or it's the H/Hr shippers fault for pointing it out. Even mice cannot comment without being lambasted. It's good to know you can sell your fanfiction all you want and for 4 times the price of a regular book as long as you call it a "zine". It's not copyright infringement then, I suppose.

I have here a 200 page fanfic, er, "zine". I'll charge $45 dollars "for publication costs." Any takers?


ETA:While the author of the fanfic has denied making money on this deal, another zine publisher states that they have dealt with the same publisher, and that at these prices, profit is happening, and most likely by the author, since the publisher only takes a commission. Unless directed elsewhere, the author gets the rest of the profit.

ETA II: Apparently, the fanfic author has some correspondence online with the site in question.


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[info]sheep
2006-04-24 08:16 pm UTC (link)
I think the difference, from what I can tell from reading the comments, is that one is for profit (published and has ISBN etc) and the other is only supposed to cover costs.

I do believe Barb when she says she doesn't get money out of it, and she is not a friend of mine or anything. Whether or not the fanzine makes profit, I don't know. The mouse's math would indicate no, but who knows. In other words, you aren't paying for the fic, but the paper etc. Just like paying for you internet connection, I guess. *shrugs*

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[info]musouka
2006-04-24 08:28 pm UTC (link)
At worst, I think she's guilty of bad judgement. Sorry, but even if they're not making money off her fic, the fact that the site doesn't seem to have an issue with taking copyright work, editing it, and then selling it would send up a huge warning sign to me that this is a place of rather shakey legal ground.

No matter how many times she tries to wash her hands of it, it's still going to come back to her in the end because she's the one that allowed them to do it in the first place.

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[info]sisterelwood
2006-04-24 08:37 pm UTC (link)
I'm with you on this. There be some shady dealings going down on that site methinks.

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vanceone
2006-04-24 09:15 pm UTC (link)
What's really interesting is if you go to their order page--it's not secure. No encryption, no anything. No telling you what they do with your credit card number. Do they save it? No idea.

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[info]sisterelwood
2006-04-24 09:39 pm UTC (link)
Ick. Yeah, that's not suspicious at all.

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[info]sheep
2006-04-24 09:44 pm UTC (link)
Really? No encryption!?

People who order from that site are all kinds of stupid if that's the case.

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[info]puipui
2006-04-25 01:05 am UTC (link)
Nice. Very classy, that.

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[info]sheep
2006-04-24 08:40 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I noticed that. That is very dodgy. I suppose it's best to check these things out, but I wouldn't have recognised that as being a copy right work myself. Personally, I wouldn't put anything up for sale no one would want it it just too shady an area for me to feel comfortable with.

I have heard you can sell something like 10 copies of art work before legal issues come into play, or originals (basically, don't mass produce) even then I am not sure, but I really don't know about writing.

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[info]musouka
2006-04-24 09:09 pm UTC (link)
That's why I think you have to look carefully at the listings. Since it doesn't talk about a story, but an actual comic book being translated into English.

Maybe I'm being hypocritical, since I've been involved with scanlations and don't have a big issue with them, nor do I have an issue with fic zines. It just gets my goat because Eroica has been picked up here after god knows how many years and to see them still listing it pisses me off.

It also annoys me to see people claim it's not illegal. It is always illegal. Scanlations are illegal. Fanfiction is illegal. Don't try to hide behind "oh, but it's been done a long time and nobody got upset therefore it's okay". At least admit what you're doing is NOT legal in any sense of the word.

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[info]sheep
2006-04-24 09:18 pm UTC (link)
Is Eroica any good?

I did not read it as Erotica when you first posted it

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[info]musouka
2006-04-24 09:29 pm UTC (link)
Oh man, you did not want to start me on this

Yes, it's one of my absolute favorite manga. The first volume sucks, but from the second on it's pure gold. The character interplay is great and the spoofs are terrific. CMX has done a good adaption, and I think they've done very well at keeping Klaus' abrasive character intact without completely going past the boundaries of PC-ness.

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[info]sheep
2006-04-24 09:30 pm UTC (link)
I may have to look into this :)

I need a happy icon.

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[info]musouka
2006-04-24 10:07 pm UTC (link)
Speaking of icons, I used to use this Eroica one, but I'm enamored with my Ueki theme at the moment.

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[info]sheep
2006-04-24 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Hee!

Taking away someones underwear is rarely wrong!

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[info]issendai
2006-04-25 02:55 pm UTC (link)
I'll second the Eroica love. It's a silly, wonderful read.

(By coincidence, I discovered Eroica in Xeroxlation well over a decade ago, when illegal copies with taped-in translations were the only way you could get the series. And it cost a bundle, too.

(But not $80.)

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[info]oh_envy
2006-04-24 08:53 pm UTC (link)
I know zines are supposed to only cover costs, but $80 for one? That's more than 3 HP-books. From what I read in the thread, it sounded as if had the Star Wars-girl just made a soft-cover and slapped a 'ZINE' sticker on it (and sold it from her own web-page, not Amazon), it would have been okay.

I read the mousy's calc and I have to say, I'm less than convinced about the factuality of that claim. We're talking $80 here, that's a lot of paper.

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