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THE POISSON MUST BE FRESH! (![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} rotten_fish) wrote in ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/community.gif){kind=small} wankitywank,@ 2008-05-30 16:40:00 |
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And good times were had by all!
So, misery loves company. That's exactly why I'm sharing this with you lovely folks.
Hypersurfaces on LJ went to Wiscon, which is "hosted" by her university and attended by some of her peers. Lo, it did upset her, and made her write a long rant on Something Awful forums (rant mirrored here on SASS forums, SA's meta-wank forum) where she is a member. Said rant includes insults not limited to: fat people, feminists, fat people okay with being fat, POCs, transpeople, children, and those wacky new-age folks, and are accompanied by pictures of said people with sad little faces drawn over them, because Hypersurfaces is witt-tay. Other Wiscon attendees find it, get upset, and take action by finding and posting her rl info (posting is also done by the SASS goons after the thread gets taken down, however, and clearly the Wiscon organizer disapproves of the fandom side). One Wiscon and university attendee sends Hypersurfaces an e-mail that they will contact her prof (or dean?) unless the thread gets taken down.
With the possibility of getting in trouble, Hypersurfaces asks SA to take down the thread (they do) and apologizes. (I read it before she deleted it; she apologized profusely for I believe the entirety of the rant, said it was completely out of line and begotten from some emotional reason (who knows), but now it's gone). En route, there are threats also made that threaten her physical harm and other letters sent to her employers, accusing her of sexual harassment. Whereupon I assume she deleted her earlier apology and instead posted this, where she apologizes for insulting the kids, but not the rest.
In any case, the debate within fandom all comes down to this: "THERECANBEONLYONE What do fandom community standards say about in RL trolling? Shithead went and made us miserable, sexually harrassed us, outed us to potential dangers, etc. Was she really a fan, and therefore we should consider the standards? But if she wasn't, what should we do? Do the 'standards' protect anyone from being an asshat? Or is it just a matter of keeping your Harry Potter porn quiet from the boss? Etc."
And then all of this is reported by PyrateJenni on Unfunnybusiness (modded by PJ), except with a whole lot less detail. The post immediately goes downhill, as many disagree with PJ's summation or take offense to her seemingly random, yet specific, inclusion of Coffeeandink, and she responds to. every. single. comment. angrily, even if they don't disagree with her! Soon enough people who are in the know-how join the discussion, and everything explodes in schlicking (or fapping) fury.
Highlights include!
First comment!
"Whoa, I'm pissed off!"
"I'm still angry at the people who posted her rl info! I'm taking it out on you."
"You don't get to decide how angry I am! You're not my real mom!!!"
"I won't post links because they'll hurt your wee little heart."
"Still not my mom!!"
Second comment!
"ISN'T IT NICE WE LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THE ISLAMISTS? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS IS A COMPLETELY ACCURATE COMPARISON!"
"My goodness, sir!"
"...I'm Muslim :(" Also, crazy. (I don't even know if there were actual death threats)
And it gets better, folks.
"Waiter, I didn't order grudgewank."
"Pickles! This isn't grudgewank! Coffeeandink is not upholding her own fandom standards!!" Somewhere, PJ also says it's specifically fandom's reaction to Jameth's failed attempts at getting LJ-elected that's pissing her off, but I couldn't find it again. ETA: Thank you, Loki!
"I agree with you, but could you be more fair in your report?"
"DID I MENTION I WAS STILL ANGRY AT THESE PEOPLE?! BECAUSE I AM."
"But I was agreeing with you D:" (Risha later became Plucky Girl Detective on the opposing side)
"Isn't a con RL? If she went to troll, is this any longer an issue of fandom community standards?"
"WHO CARES? Threatening violence on the internet is a terrifying and serious thing :("
"You're like Bush with your 'making SA goons look like tragic martyrs' thing!"
"..."
"Fuck you and the comm you rode in on!"
"The faces are COVERED! It's not that bad! WHO CARES? AND they're THREATENING to KILL her! I'VE had my picture posted and I'VE never done that!!CaPslOCK!!"
"It's not really grudgewank."
"Yes it is!"
"Well, you don't have to be all mean about it."
"[tl;dr]"
"I shit on your 'honest trolls'! I shit on them!"
"Yeah, your honest trolls suck!"
"I'm sorry, do these people have a license to do these things??"
"As her hypothetical employer I care a whole lot more than her real employer!"
So many people: "plz clarify clarifications already."
"I'm not going to answer any of your questions because I might get TOS'd :o"
"I'm calling you out! PREPARE FOR FISTICUFFS!"
People get banned! People get OH SNAPPED! Gigantic herds of teal deer ravage the countryside! I HAVE A HEADACHE!
In other news, you can read coffeeandink's response to PJ here, Badgerbag on LJ's last several posts will tell you more than you ever, ever wanted to know about the whole situation, and another write-up of the wank here on we_wank. Good? Need any snacks? Water bottle? Okay.
Also: clarification and additional links are welcome; i realize some of this looks contradicting, ie who posted the actual info. however, please DON'T repost hypersurface's real name. it is against the TOS. ETA: Well, kind of. As White Serpent points out, the TOS doesn't really cover this.
So, misery loves company. That's exactly why I'm sharing this with you lovely folks.
Hypersurfaces on LJ went to Wiscon, which is "hosted" by her university and attended by some of her peers. Lo, it did upset her, and made her write a long rant on Something Awful forums (rant mirrored here on SASS forums, SA's meta-wank forum) where she is a member. Said rant includes insults not limited to: fat people, feminists, fat people okay with being fat, POCs, transpeople, children, and those wacky new-age folks, and are accompanied by pictures of said people with sad little faces drawn over them, because Hypersurfaces is witt-tay. Other Wiscon attendees find it, get upset, and take action by finding and posting her rl info (posting is also done by the SASS goons after the thread gets taken down, however, and clearly the Wiscon organizer disapproves of the fandom side). One Wiscon and university attendee sends Hypersurfaces an e-mail that they will contact her prof (or dean?) unless the thread gets taken down.
With the possibility of getting in trouble, Hypersurfaces asks SA to take down the thread (they do) and apologizes. (I read it before she deleted it; she apologized profusely for I believe the entirety of the rant, said it was completely out of line and begotten from some emotional reason (who knows), but now it's gone). En route, there are threats also made that threaten her physical harm and other letters sent to her employers, accusing her of sexual harassment. Whereupon I assume she deleted her earlier apology and instead posted this, where she apologizes for insulting the kids, but not the rest.
In any case, the debate within fandom all comes down to this: "
And then all of this is reported by PyrateJenni on Unfunnybusiness (modded by PJ), except with a whole lot less detail. The post immediately goes downhill, as many disagree with PJ's summation or take offense to her seemingly random, yet specific, inclusion of Coffeeandink, and she responds to. every. single. comment. angrily, even if they don't disagree with her! Soon enough people who are in the know-how join the discussion, and everything explodes in schlicking (or fapping) fury.
Highlights include!
First comment!
"Whoa, I'm pissed off!"
"I'm still angry at the people who posted her rl info! I'm taking it out on you."
"You don't get to decide how angry I am! You're not my real mom!!!"
"I won't post links because they'll hurt your wee little heart."
"Still not my mom!!"
Second comment!
"ISN'T IT NICE WE LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THE ISLAMISTS? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS IS A COMPLETELY ACCURATE COMPARISON!"
"My goodness, sir!"
"...I'm Muslim :(" Also, crazy. (I don't even know if there were actual death threats)
And it gets better, folks.
"Waiter, I didn't order grudgewank."
"Pickles! This isn't grudgewank! Coffeeandink is not upholding her own fandom standards!!" Somewhere, PJ also says it's specifically fandom's reaction to Jameth's failed attempts at getting LJ-elected that's pissing her off, but I couldn't find it again. ETA: Thank you, Loki!
"I agree with you, but could you be more fair in your report?"
"DID I MENTION I WAS STILL ANGRY AT THESE PEOPLE?! BECAUSE I AM."
"But I was agreeing with you D:" (Risha later became Plucky Girl Detective on the opposing side)
"Isn't a con RL? If she went to troll, is this any longer an issue of fandom community standards?"
"WHO CARES? Threatening violence on the internet is a terrifying and serious thing :("
"You're like Bush with your 'making SA goons look like tragic martyrs' thing!"
"..."
"Fuck you and the comm you rode in on!"
"The faces are COVERED! It's not that bad! WHO CARES? AND they're THREATENING to KILL her! I'VE had my picture posted and I'VE never done that!!CaPslOCK!!"
"It's not really grudgewank."
"Yes it is!"
"Well, you don't have to be all mean about it."
"[tl;dr]"
"I shit on your 'honest trolls'! I shit on them!"
"Yeah, your honest trolls suck!"
"I'm sorry, do these people have a license to do these things??"
"As her hypothetical employer I care a whole lot more than her real employer!"
So many people: "plz clarify clarifications already."
"I'm not going to answer any of your questions because I might get TOS'd :o"
"I'm calling you out! PREPARE FOR FISTICUFFS!"
People get banned! People get OH SNAPPED! Gigantic herds of teal deer ravage the countryside! I HAVE A HEADACHE!
In other news, you can read coffeeandink's response to PJ here, Badgerbag on LJ's last several posts will tell you more than you ever, ever wanted to know about the whole situation, and another write-up of the wank here on we_wank. Good? Need any snacks? Water bottle? Okay.
Also: clarification and additional links are welcome; i realize some of this looks contradicting, ie who posted the actual info. however, please DON'T repost hypersurface's real name. it is against the TOS. ETA: Well, kind of. As White Serpent points out, the TOS doesn't really cover this.