she came from HP, I think.

She plagiarized for some of her stories but beyond that I'm not actually sure why they bring her up so often since there's some equally batshit fandom people out there.

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Leaving aside the plagiarism stuff, I think it has as much to do with her batshit insane fangirls as anything else. You know, the ones that scream bloody murder if people don't spontaneously orgasm at the thought of CC's Draco stuff. They troll and wank quite a bit. Hell, mention CC on Fandom_Wank in anything less than complimentary terms and watch the anons come for blood.

Though, personally, I find her prima donna-ish behaviour annoying, and my Shakespeare omgwtfucketh thing a while back was in response to an entry of hers where people were talking about how awful and teh_ev0l JKR is, and how only CC truly understood Draco and how they wished CC was writing the books instead of JKR.

Oh, there was that bitchfest recently where she ranted about other people writing "diaries." Apparently, she was under the impression that she invented the whole "journal" concept.

So, you know, whatever.

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Is she the one who had fans buying her ipods? Or am I confusing her with another fanfic demagogue?

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Yup, one and the same. She was just s-o-o-o-o forlorn without one. I don't know how that turned out, though. I try not to keep track of her.

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hmmm...

Announcement: I'm very VERY forlorn without an iPod. Very forlorn. My joy would be immense and beautiful to witness if I had an iPod. My gratitude would be instantaneous and my love would swell to gigantic amounts.

In short, an iPod would make me happy.

Let's see how that works.

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I think I should be bribing you with multiple IPods for your most kind support in the Turi thread on F_W. Unfortunately, I"m broke (as always) and don't even have one of my own! WAH! If you all love me, you would buy me one!

However - and seriously for a moment - thanks so much Snacky. I'm kinda floored that Turi went after me like that. Oh, well...

Wank! Good wank!

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Oh, Mr. B, you're welcome. I couldn't figure out what she was on about, since you were so polite. And...

::glances around, whispers::

don't let this get out, but sometimes I'm nice. *g*

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Turi thread? Did I miss something again?

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Whoa, I need to get in on this fans racket.

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Actually, no, that wasn't her.

It was done for her by her good friend who honestly I think had a lapse in sanity in assuming that Cassie would be okay with that--it was an attempt to take a collection to by her a group birthday present from the fandom. I honestly don't know how it turned out--I don't think Cassie said anything about it publicly though which leads me to believe she somehow heard about the idea and shot it down before it had a chance to lead to the inevitable wank.

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Okay wait. I remember seeing it in someone's journal--so a friend of hers said, in her own (the friend)'s journal "I'd really like an ipod," which she then intended to give to CC? Or am I blending two totally separate events?

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Just so I don't have to retype it, my comment in Snacky's journal on this issue: http://www.journalfen.net/users/snacky/28740.html?thread=273732#t273732

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Haaa...she blatantly ripped off Bridget Jones's Diary for the VSDs. I think they're hilarious, but it wasn't an original idea. A lot of her fans have apparently never read/seen Bridget Jones, though, and tend to rabidly go after anyone who uses that style.

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Hell, I've never read Bridget Jone's Diary -- curse my defective Y chromosome!!!! -- and even I knew that they weren't original. I should add a disclaimer to the effect that I found a couple of the VSD's fairly amusing too, so I'm not knocking CC's right to be proud of them. But, chreezus, the "play-jerizm" irony that suffuses all fanfic is like a neverending wank that most people can't seem to learn their lesson from. It's not like F_W and fandom in general hasn't dedicated reams of writing concerning the point that one needs to tread very carefully before screaming about intellectual property with regards to fanfic, even satirical fanfic.

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Bridget Jones is hilarious, you should give it a try. I think the VSDs are hilarious, too, and certainly the jokes are Cassie's. But to get upset about someone nicking the format... Yeah, wtf ever.

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I think I shall have to give Bridget Jones a try, then. Authentically funny books are rare enough that I can't afford to pass up a reliable recommendation.

::shushes "Y" chromosome and promises to give it access to They Whisper as compensation::

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And then one could say that Bridget Jones is a knockoff of Adrian Mole (The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole, Aged 13 3/4 - recall anything about secret diaries anywhere else?)

Except, yanno, it's a valid writing format used over generations and so is unable to be "stolen".

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Do you have a link to this post wherein she decried people "stealing" the diaries? I completely missed it.

Also, it feels a bit weird to be discussing her posts like they were a tidbit on a fandom newsletter that I missed, and not like she was once one of my closest friends. It makes me feel sleazy. Should I feel sleazy? I am torn.

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That I'm not going to bother trying to track down, but I do remember it fairly reliably.

As far as feeling sleazy goes...just sit back and enjoy it. Remember, sleazy is only bad if you don't know enough to appreciate its virtues.

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Okay, to be fair, I'm pretty sure it wasn't CC...just her more obnoxious fangirls. ::goes off to lecture brain about thinking slower than my fingers type::

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She wrote extremely, extremely popular Draco-centric stories in HP for which she later turned out to have lifted lines and sections from other sources.

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She wrote the Very Secret Diaries in both Harry Potter and LOTR. As others have said, it's hardly a unique concept (Bridget Jones' diary, anyone?), but she and her rabid fangirl contingent seem to consider it her Private Domain. And woe betide any other writer cocky enough to use the same style.

The plagiarism - well, I'm not entirely sure if it was really full-blown plagiarism or not, as I'm not really involved in either fandom and have just heard stories. But when Cassie was posting the Draco Trilogy? or Draco's Very Secret Diaries? or are they one and the same? - she was using lines from popular shows (Buffy) and stories (there's one writer in particular, whose name escapes me, that she liberally borrowed from). I've been told that as the chapters were posted, readers were well aware Cassie was referencing other pop culture touchstones. However, when Cassie uploaded the completed story to Fanfiction.Net, she neglected to make a public note that she was 'borrowing' from TV shows and published novels.

Someone - or many someones - ping Xing at FFNet and point out Cassie's using uncredited lines from other genre. Xing deletes all her stories and kicks her off FFNet permanently for plagiarism. HUGE fuss.

Did she intentionally crib from TV, movies and novels and hope no one would catch on? Or was this an inside joke between her and her readers and she simply forgot to let FFNet readers in on the joke? I can't say - I'm not in the fandom(s) involved enough to know. I can tell you I've heard people on both sides make these allegations.

Add in Cassie's rabid fanbase - as others have said, if one DARES to suggest CC is anything less than wonderful and the harpies descend - and you've got walking, talking, constant wank.

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and yet she's constantly insulted/discussed on fandom wank and harpies don't seem to show up that often.

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true. i find cassie claire hate rather pointless at best, and it only seems to certify her place as someone important in fandom, because if she's not doing anything right now that's wankworthy, why keep bringing her up? all i seem to see is the whining about the cassie claire fangirls and not the fangirls themselves.

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Personally, I consider CC old news, and not particularly interesting news at that, especially since I consider her Draco fiction borderline self-indulgent tripe, though the VSDs weren't bad. But as far as the fangirls not coming over and making a nuisance of themselves...? I've seen it. More than once. They wanked mightily. And frothingly.

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The deal with the plagiarism on the Draco Trilogy was that it was UNINTENTIONAL plagiarism. Yes, she inserted lines from BTVS and tons of other shows, but that was a game she was playing with her readers - to see if they could spot the references. She also liberally "borrowed" (that would be, lifted several paragraphs directly) from a Pamela Dean novel. Again, this was by ACCIDENT. She didn't mean to plagiarize, and she's apologized and has Pamela Dean's permission to use the passages, and now credits her other sources, supposedly.

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How exactly do you accidentally plagarize a novel?

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Supposedly she copied down several pages of this novel in her notebook, because she loved it so much, I guess? And then when she was writing the Draco story, she came across it, in her notebook, and since she hadn't written down who actually wrote it, she assumed it was hers, and put it in her story.

Yeah, I know.

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I think you are giving her way, way, way too much credit.

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Heh. I was trying to sound neutral, not like I thought she was lying plagiarist. *g*

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Actually, this almost happened to me. I found a piece of Gattaca fic in my old files, just a plain text file, and although I couldn't remember finishing or posting it, it gelled with a couple of ideas I'd had for a story. I assumed it was mine for a while, something I'd started and never finished (plenty of those on my HDD) until I read right to the end of it and realised it was a short piece from a fic that a friend had sent me to beta. Oops. Glad I realised before I decided to finish and post it.

WTSIT? icon in honour of the film, not for any WTS? ness.

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That's not quite right. I asked Cassie herself to tell me the entire story one day because I had heard so many confused variations, and she did. I have absolutely no reason to lie about this and would have other more direct methods if I wanted to hurt Cassie in any way, so you can take my word for this if you're inclined. :)

It is true that Cassie wrote down unattributed quotes often, but The Secret Country was one of her favorite novels and it was highly unlikely that she would mistake the writing from one of her favorite novels as her own. What happened was that initially the passage was cited. She told me that when the chapter was posted on ff.net initially it had the proper attribution, and I believe her. However, the chapter stayed up for something like 2 years without being noticed at all, and in that time Cassie believes she did some kind of formatting changes to various chapters that caused the chapter notes with the citation to disappear without her being aware of it.

The important thing to note is that the circumstances surrounding the "plagiarism" are what made it as wanky as it was, then and now:

Firstly, the chapter was up for over 2 years without anyone noticing anything about it; and in that time the DT had become the single most popular fic on fanfiction.net, with huge sections of what were at that time the ff.net message boards devoted to its discussion.

Secondly, when the ff.net mods finally "discovered" the plagiarism, they simply deleted the story without warning, without offering any explanation to Cassie whatsoever.

Thirdly, when the huge outcry over the plagiarism broke on the ff.net message boards, and all the fans were going crazy, the ff.net mods actually deleted the entire message board system rather than deal with the complaints. It was a lot like the Gryffindor Tower fiasco, only it happened all at once instead of in an ongoing many-month collision.

Fourthly, another HP-only fanfiction archive, Fiction Alley, had been preparing to open for months; and since it was perfect timing, Cassie moved her fics there just as the archive opened, thereby sealing the archive's instantaneous popularity and the permanent ongoing belief that FA was "created" specifically to house Cassie's fics.

All of that tied in together, pretty much without Cassie actually doing anything to exacerbate the situation, to make it seem like Cassie was some sort of extraordinarily grand fandom member, because people were overreacting wherever she was mentioned right and left. If you ask me, the people who really solidified Cassie's treatment as a BNF early on were the moderators of ff.net in deleting the entire message boards rather than allow the furor over Cassie's fics to die out and thereby creating an atmosphere of martyrdom which has kept her in the public eye ever since.

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Yes, the person who discovered it was an simply someone who was a huge Pamela Dean fan, and when she saw this, she decided to tell the ff.net authorities. So it was really over that, not the Buffy quotes.

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I'm absoultely inclined to take your word that this is what she told you, but I seem to remember her more recently (as in like a year ago, in one of those times the issue was brought up yet again!) saying something about the whole 'had it in my notebook didn't know it wasn't mine' kind of thing. so that's a little bit weird, to think she told you something else, yaknow?

although i can even *imagine* she'd finally invented that notebook shit somethine like 3 years after the fact, because it seemed maybe like it'd be an easier thing to state publically than everything you just typed out-- it still strikes me as a weird thing, and i don't think hse'd have invented that lie, really, or if she did, it would only make her actually wanky. or actually more wanky, rather. :))

am i totally remembering wrong about *her* telling that story about the notebook then? annoying, that, and i don't feel like spending time looking for those links again, grr.

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yeah, I remember Heidi writing up a big clarification thing on FW which deviates quite a bit from what Aja said.

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this hurts my brain. Argh.

but gosh, your icon's pretty.

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Okay, that's different. I had never heard this version of the story before.

I don't know, Aja, I'm inclined to believe *you* - I'm just not sure about Cassie (who I don't know from Adam), if you know what I mean. I mean, I think what she did was plagiarism, missing disclaimers or what have you, and what I've never understood are all the claims of "But it was an ACCIDENT!"

Although I realize that Cassie can't control her rabid fangirl apologists (and I'm not including you in that category *g*). It's too bad, because I think this could have gone away, if she had just said, "Yeah, I fucked up" and changed and/or disclaimed everything immediately, instead of all this, "It was a mistake, an accident!" stuff that I hear all the time.

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Aja, remember that flamewar I got into after, ahem, posting emails of Sarah T being a bitch? Either CC or Heidi said on my livejournal that she'd found the chapter in a notebook and didn't recognise it. I can link the post if you want, and you can look through it, but one of them definitely said it. So either they're lying about the credits, or lying that they didn't know it was someone else's work.

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Erin, I think you should post the links. I'd be interested in seeing them, myself.

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As soon as I can get online for more than 20 minutes at a time, I'll look. :>

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Okay, I was wrong; I can't find it on my lj. It must be in Corrina's (the person who originally called PZ for not putting a disclaimer on her fic). My bad. I'll look for it later. Meanwhile, I think HnK said Heidi posted about it in a recent HP wank, so if you want to look for that...

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Or, to offer a third scenario, both happened and she at first didn't realise it was her work, then attributed it properly when she did, then lost the credits.

*sigh*

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I find that scenario even more implausible. I mean, if she took stuff from other sources and admits it, then whatever. If she made a mistake and copied something she thought was hers, whatever. But shifting from one story to another is just ridiculous.

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