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Avocado ([info]white_serpent) wrote,
@ 2008-05-31 11:12:00


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A note to the ED folks.
Here, because where the hell else am I going to put it?

I'm only bothering to respond because I see the helpful little troll that linked to f_w in the news post named itself "white_mindset", and forgive me if I see that as targeted.


I said early on in the election process that I had nothing against ED, nothing against Jameth, and nothing against LJ Drama. This remains true. (I do, however, dislike what I've seen of [info]rfjason.) Tfo was helpful on the f_w wiki, and he's welcome to keep editing as far as I'm concerned (though he's an ED mod, so I completely understand if he doesn't).

I did consider the invitation to edit the ED article simply because Tfo was helpful. (Though, you know, I'd have been more likely to do it if I were asked directly and if I knew who was doing the asking.)

If I get around to working on articles, I'm probably going to write them on the f_w wiki. No insult, just the way it is. I was also definitely not going to do any article writing in the midst of the election, because I was not interested in influencing the outcome. In general, FW doesn't care enough to influence the outcome-- which is probably why no one bothered running. So, sure, I think Aja's wanky and kind of ridiculous, but I'm not going to deliberately sabotage her.

I didn't vote for LMM in any of my three slots, and I didn't vote for Jameth, either. I voted for [info]vichan (and, for the record, for [info]qfemale-- she was scrappy!-- and for squeaky-- I knew those two votes wouldn't count). I told [info]vichan that I had voted for her before the election closed. I think it was a crying shame that fandom_votes solidified behind LMM, because I liked what [info]vichan said, and I liked her more and more as the election progressed.

I have no socks, and I have no RPing accounts. Even if I had them, I wouldn't have used them for voting.


As for Jameth: I said (and I think) that an association with LJD and ED and the potential resulting familiarity with law and how it's abused to suppress unwanted speech could make Jameth a very good candidate. I remain particularly concerned about the way DMCA notices are used by LJ. But. Jameth's campaign downplayed his involvement with both to the point that it didn't mean much. (Not that I believed it, but still.)

And then there was that post about the Snape/Harry noncon stuff.

Oh, sure, he was just quoting and raising the hard issues! Right. It was smear. You know why it was smear? I can't turn up Snape/Harry noncon on a Google search of LMM unless it was written by someone else on a site she also happens to use. I can't find it on Skyhawke. If it's in the locked community she's a member of, then it sure as fuck isn't going to turn up on a Google search, is it?

I don't like Snape/Harry. I've been pretty damned clear about that many times over the past six years. But you know what? I know a lot of people who write it. If he's running on a campaign of free speech, then he'd better fucking understand that that is "free speech," too. Posting that comment and refusing to take a stand saying that it was okay with him as "legal speech he didn't happen to like" undercut the entirety of his campaign platform. [info]vichan told him that, and so did [info]spare_change. And bringing in what media response to it might be? Oh, please. Even Aja didn't say, "Media response to someone affiliated with ED would be bad, so we shouldn't vote for him." Following that up with posting [info]vichan's emails showed an utter lack of respect for her.

That, right there, almost certainly cost him the election.

As for the election, I still don't understand what the point was. Jameth's campaign was two-pronged: he was the best qualified for the job; LJ didn't take it seriously anyway and neither did he!

Pick one. Because the one impression I got was that the election was really fucking important, but I don't know why. And seeing that makes me suspicious.

Seeing that LJ Drama's been recently stripped out of Wayback doesn't help my suspicious nature when people affiliated with it are running around saying, "But you can't prove Jameth was ever involved!" I've run into that before-- "I'm going to delete what I said and then threaten to sue you for LIBEL for saying that I ever said it." And when I've actually invested in an attorney to deal with that before? Sorry, but it's not something I see as supportive of free speech.


I did laugh at a lot of the posts, and I found a lot of people (girlvinyl, for example) pretty entertaining. So I still don't dislike LJD, and I still have nothing against ED. I still have nothing against you. But that's not the same as voting for Jameth.

Yes, I screen anons, but if you want to respond, go ahead. To date, I've only ever used that to get rid of spambots. I don't see why their ad campaign ought to be visible to the masses while I get around to deleting it.


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[info]spare_change
2008-05-31 07:46 pm UTC (link)
refusing to take a stand saying that it was okay with him as "legal speech he didn't happen to like"

Actually, he did say that in a subsequent post.

But anyway. I think at that point he realized it was obvious that fandom had united around LMM (Abuse Team! Hooray!), and had given up. And decided to shit-stir. Which he did, very effectively.

Weirdly, though, I have less of a problem with shit-stirring than with someone who bans people from LJ and refuses to respond to questions and comments in a transparent manner. I understand why folks have such problems with Jameth, but given a choice between him and someone whose paranoia and disingenuousness reminds me of CC's best moments, I'd pick him any time.

But yes, [info]vichan is awesome. I was behind rm from the beginning because I liked her platform, but I become discouraged with how disengaged she appeared to be from the election process. And I like the way [info]vichan was able to bridge the fandom and lulz communities. Maybe she'll have a chance in '09.

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[info]white_serpent
2008-05-31 09:01 pm UTC (link)
Actually, he did say that in a subsequent post.

That's something. It didn't get the weight of the first one, though.

Weirdly, though, I have less of a problem with shit-stirring than with someone who bans people from LJ and refuses to respond to questions and comments in a transparent manner.

No, I agree with that. [info]furiosity's endorsement of LMM carried weight with me, but not enough that I was willing to overlook the LJA affiliation. That might have been remedied over the course of the election, but I didn't get to know her because she vanished from sight.

That certainly could have been due to the death threat. (Appalling, and in no way ever acceptable.) Still, I can't just cast a vote her way on the theory that I'd probably like her and agree with the statements she'd probably make if the situation had been different.

I was behind rm from the beginning because I liked her platform, but I become discouraged with how disengaged she appeared to be from the election process.

Yeah, rm had two problems for me. One was OTW affiliation. I don't campaign against them (I wish them well, overall), and I'm not cheering for Michela's anti-OTW bias. I disagree with the fact that they're willing to push for fanfiction when the creator is opposed to its existence. I come from SFF fandom, and I'm not willing to go there. I take OTW affiliation as a sign of agreeing with that stance, so it makes me uncomfortable. My second problem was that she banned jameth and his supporters from her journal and didn't respond to their questions-- many of which were actually polite and valid.

Maybe she'll have a chance in '09.

I hope so.

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[info]charmian
2008-05-31 09:45 pm UTC (link)
many of which were actually polite and valid.

Yeah, what was with that? I can understand completely banning rude or troll comments, but banning valid questions on a post originally dedicated to answering questions from random people?

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[info]white_serpent
2008-05-31 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Beats me. I was not impressed.

I was also not impressed that LMM set commenting on her journal to friends-only.

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[info]charmian
2008-05-31 10:14 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, pretty much. When you have a friends-only journal in general, it's difficult to figure out how you will react on the issues, because there is no public record of what you said already.

Oh well, now that LJ has made those policy changes, they've defused a lot of the anger towards them, so perhaps for awhile there won't be much LJ admin drama, except perhaps if people complain about having LJ mark their stuff adult.

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[info]furiosity
2008-06-01 03:07 am UTC (link)
For the record, I was not a fan of how Jen/LMM handled the during-the-election hoopla (the refusal to answer comments, the locking of pre-election posts), so much so that I seriously considered switching her and rm in my vote, but then I figured it wouldn't matter one way or another. I sympathised with her setting her LJ to friends-only commenting after she went public with the death threat, because she was receiving some pretty abusive and nasty shit from the jameth camp and it is, after all, her personal journal. But leaving that aside, the near-complete MIA-ness during the whole kerfuffle didn't sit well with me at all.

I am sure some of it was the fact that first she was on holidays and some of it was the death threat + the posting of her personal information in Jameth's comments, but communication is vitally important in a position on an advisory board, no matter how token the position itself might be. Granted, the advisory board is not as adversarial an environment as LJ can be, but I know Jen can handle herself in an online debate so I wasn't happy she opted for the stonewall approach.

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[info]white_serpent
2008-06-01 08:34 am UTC (link)
Yeah; I quite understand why she would-- it just doesn't help me get to know her.

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