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melannen ([info]melannen) wrote,
@ 2009-09-30 22:56:00


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My opinions on the Lambda Awards debacle (not that any of you care about my opinions on it, but it took me long enough to figure them out; I want to record them for my own posterity, if only so I can later marvel at how wrong I was. Also, may I note that I am continually befuddled by what does and doesn't wind up on UFB? ..oh god, while I was writing this it ended up on f_w instead, heaven help us.)

1. The Lambda Literary Foundation has every right to make this decision, they are not oppressing anyone by doing so, and I think it was, in fact, a good decision: the nature of glbt literature and community has changed, and the LLF needed to change as well, to keep doing what it wanted to do.

2. The way they went about implementing and publicizing this decision was deeply, deeply unprofessional, and has major problems with the implementation. (And frankly, the more I read, the more I suspect that it was also made for the wrong reasons, and some of the people closely involved who oppose the decision probably have reasons to oppose that aren't visible to us.) All the same, I still support the decision itself.

3. People talking on all sides of this argument are full of entitlement, privilege, and bonus!racism, and I don't want to be on a side with them. :/ The people on the anti-lambda side are managing to be offensive in far more creative and comprehensive ways, while the pro-lambda side are being more offensive in ways that are grindingly personal to me, so congrats there guys!

4. If I try to talk about it in any more depth, I run smack-dab into my major issues about the umbrella label glbt and its component parts (and, yes, glbttqqi++ too), and any attempt to go into any depth beyond that rapidly involves into me rambling at tl;dr length about that instead of privilege, so I shall keep my thinking about labels until a better time to talk about them.


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[info]notjo
2009-10-01 12:08 pm UTC (link)
I think the reason it didn't end up on UFB is because it was alreading being linkspammed and metafandomed when it was just starting.

I'm reading the F_W report. *sigh*

That said, is this something you'd like to talk more about? I'm interested in discussing it, but haven't been willing to put my oar in because I'm terribly overwhelmed with busy at the moment.

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[info]melannen
2009-10-01 02:09 pm UTC (link)
There's a bunch of really good-looking recipes on the f_w post; I need to go through it and find things to try!

I'm interesting in discussing it? Actually I just stepped into the peripheral the discussion about modding on [info]linkspam, which is part of the reason why I decided to post this.

I've figured out that any attempt on my part to talk about the actual underlying issues in more depth than I did here turns into my part 4 - me saying "the only oppressions that all g+l+b+t+q+i++ people have in common are ones that women face too - and they are only aimed at queer people because of the need to keep women in their place - so I support glbt activism, but if glbt & feminism conflict, I viscerally side with feminism, sorry." I'm pretty sure I can't have that discussion at the moment without being horribly offensive, and probably wrong, though, so I'm mostly sitting down & shutting up.

If I have time to play Internet Girl Detective today I may go and try to figure out what *exactly* it was that the LLF did, though, and post a timeline w/out commentary, because the linkspam posts *are not being very clear on that.*

(Have you seen kaigou's dreamwidth post about it? I think it's one of the very best discussion posts that's come out of the discussion, and if you only have time for one, that one's worth it. (Though I still want to throw "but it's all about feminism really" all over her post, which, still, unhelpful, which is why I didn't comment there, either.))

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[info]notjo
2009-10-01 02:35 pm UTC (link)
I haven't been following much of the discussion.

Please feel free to unpack as much as you need to in my general direction. I do get what you're saying, both about the Feminism-lens, and about the "I'm not going to derail this right now: talking less, listening more" aspect.

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[info]pariforma
2009-10-01 01:49 pm UTC (link)
I am totally with you on nos. 1 & 2. They were totally within their rights to do what they did; nevertheless, it was done badly.

And I'm pretty much with you on #3, too.

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[info]melannen
2009-10-01 02:12 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, exactly. Speaking as an outsider, yay LLF, fight the oppressors and carve a space for your literature! Speaking as a not-straight person, oh LLF, why must you be so stupid about the way you fight oppression?

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[info]lady_ganesh
2009-10-01 11:20 pm UTC (link)
I have not and have never been part of the LBGTQ community, but It is more difficult to be an LGBT writer now than it has been in many decades made me deeply, deeply uncomfortable. I think they meant 'it is more difficult to publish or make a living as a LBGT writer than it has been in many decades.' At least I hope they did, or the 1980s apparently completely passed them by.

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